Saved are you?
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elohiym
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I'd like to look at the verses you chose, and set your statement aside for a moment.Shimei said:
Romans 6
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
If you are servant of something, it has dominion over you. Jesus stated that whoever sins (whoever) is a servant of sin. He gave no exceptions...
John 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
So the only way that sin could not have dominion over you is if you stopped sinning.
22 But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
We have been set free from sin, which is what Jesus was talking about...
33 They answered him, We be Abraham’s seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
We have becomes slaves to God, and a slave to God (saved) cannot continue to murder, steal, and fornicate.
We can't continue to sin. These last verses prove that.Shimei said:
Romans 6
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?
If we sin, then we are slaves to sin. What Paul is saying cannot be interpretated any other way, in my opinion.
Now, you said "even though Christians still sin, they do not lose their salvation." But we can see from the verses you offered that of a person sins they are a slave to sin, and Christians are slaves to righteousness.
keypurr
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If we are true Christians and our faith is strong, we do not sin. For we cannot serve two masters. Our flesh wars against our spirit and may cause problems for the mind. But we are not under the law, which transgression of is sin. If the spirit of God is within us, how can we sin? if however we lose faith and turn against him, we will lose our salvation.
elohiym
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If a person does not have to stop sinning to be saved, then what the heck does repent mean?Jabez said:
So child raping Catholic priests don't have to stop raping, and they can be saved? :shocked:
Could you give me a list of the sins one can commit and still be saved, as opposed to the ones thay can't commit and be saved?
keypurr
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I used to think that also, but not any more. To be truly saved you must have faith in Christ. To receive his grace you must believe in him who God sent. You cannot have Christ and Satan in the temple of your body. A Christian does not have room for evil. It cannot co-exsist with Christ. Notice that the Law speaks of love for God and people.The fruit of the spirit within you is love if it is God's spirit. The law was given to teach us what God expects for us. But it is by grace we are saved, not the works of the law. Therefor, sin does not exsist for true believers. However that does not make void the law. it is kept out of love for him who gave it. That make it the perfect law when it kept out of love. So if we are not under the law, how can we sin? Sin is transgression of the law. Keep in mind though that he is coming back for thoes who keep the commandments of God and the Faith of Jesus Christ.Jabez said:
dRock
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But what does that even mean? I have heard that it means to not call God any other name than YHWH, or even the gentiles weren't supposed to call Him anything (that's where they got Adonai from). I don't know :think: ... Well now, straggled around too much. Off to bed.koban said: