Nuking Mecca - Reasonable Course Of Action Or Bat Crazy Far Right...

[Greg Jennings]

true or false - the best system of government is one modeled on Godly precepts?

False. The best system we've yet to come up with seems to be based on Enlightenment ideology, as evidenced by so many of our key founding fathers being agnostic and not Christian.

Systems modeled on "Godly precepts" have throughout history and across religions devolved into brutal regimes that advocate for genocide when the wrong guy gets control.

 

[The Barbarian]

Systems modeled on "Godly precepts" have throughout history and across religions devolved into brutal regimes that advocate for genocide when the wrong guy gets control.

It's pretty close to exactly what James Madison wrote in "Against Religious Assessments."

Because experience witnesseth that ecclesiastical establishments, instead of maintaining the purity and efficacy of Religion, have had a contrary operation. During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_religions43.html

 

[Nihilo]

False. The best system we've yet to come up with seems to be based on Enlightenment ideology, as evidenced by so many of our key founding fathers being agnostic and not Christian.

Systems modeled on "Godly precepts" have throughout history and across religions devolved into brutal regimes that advocate for genocide when the wrong guy gets control.

Check out Catholic political precepts in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. :rain:

 

[Nihilo]

It's pretty close to exactly what James Madison wrote in "Against Religious Assessments."

Because experience witnesseth that ecclesiastical establishments, instead of maintaining the purity and efficacy of Religion, have had a contrary operation. During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_religions43.html

Good post.

 

[DavidK]

That's okay, DavidK says we can all hug it out.

Wow, you have not heard me at all.

We can deport all the supporters of violence. We can not deport people because they wear funny clothes or pray five times a day in a given direction.

And no, hugging it all out will do nothing. That's the very terrible liberal humanist solution that's half of the what's making everything worse. The other half is the the conservative run it all over with power solution.

The real solution is through the cross and the return of the only one worthy to rule the nations from His throne in Jerusalem. The real solution is the sermon on the mount, turning to God in mourning and sackcloth, seven seals, trumpets and bowls.

 

[DavidK]

You are an imbecile to even pose the question.

But the answer could not be simper: enough assimilation that they're not materially or financially supporting jihad anywhere...are not longing to see sharia imposed as the law of the land in whatever nation they're brought to...are not seeking to impose Mohammedanism on their non-Muslim neighbors (no-go zones, decency patrols, etc)...and are not practicing the inhuman barbarism of FGM.

Since you're of the same kind as those who import such people, that's your dilemma to fix. Mohammedans who do ALL of these things have been given free reign in every Western nation. How are YOU going to do to begin to fix it?

You know what, we already have laws against materially or financially supporting jihad, harassment, assault, and female genital mutilation. It's even illegal in the US to knowingly transport a girl outside the US in order to perform FGM.

We don't have laws that against people wearing different clothing or praying in a given direction or living close to others who practice their same religion.

You can deport the criminals, you can't deport people for their other religious practices.

 

[ok doser]

:rotfl:

Go ahead and nuke Mecca

There's only a few more ways you could start WWIII

Yeah, artie has the same bizarre idea


Just out of curiosity, how exactly would that work?

 

[dodge]

That's just bluster ...

Wiping people or objects out does not change beliefs ...

It sure does work ! It worked in WWII when the Japs and Nazis were beaten.

 

[Arthur Brain]

It sure does work ! It worked in WWII when the Japs and Nazis were beaten.

Well, firstly, beliefs weren't 'changed' with the use of nukes in WWII. Secondly, it's not only America who have nuclear weapons these days, so using them in an insane "crusade" to destroy Islam by nuking Mecca will not only do no such thing, it could plunge the world into catastrophe. Unless you happen to be a complete idiot that is, who thinks the reaction would be one of mild condemnation or some such.

Zealots...

:dizzy:

 

[ok doser]

....it could plunge the world into catastrophe.

Right, because a nuclear strike against Mecca would inevitably draw a massive nuclear response from Russia because.... reasons :dizzy:

 

[ok doser]

Well, firstly, beliefs weren't 'changed' with the use of nukes in WWII.

Well, let's take a look at that

Before nukes, the japs believed that their emperor was divine and that they had been destined to be the military overlords of the asiatic sphere

After nukes - well - you fill in the blanks

 

[Arthur Brain]

Right, because a nuclear strike against Mecca would inevitably draw a massive nuclear response fron Russia because.... reasons :dizzy:

You think America can launch a nuke attack and get away with it? You silly little dope. Go stream some more films from putlocker or something.

:dunce:

 

[Arthur Brain]

Well, let's take a look at that

Before nukes, the japs believed that their emperor was divine and that they had been destined to be the military overlords of the asiatic sphere

After nukes - well - you fill in the blanks

"The Japs".

Enough said just there. What you know about any culture wouldn't fill the back of a stamp.

 

[musterion]

"The Japs".

Enough said just there. What you know about any culture wouldn't fill the back of a stamp.

Jumps on the term "Japs" so he can feign outrage and dodge the point. Typical.

 

[ok doser]

Jumps on the term "Japs" so he can feign outrage and dodge the point. Typical.

Still, for an alcoholic with memory issues, he did dodge nicely

Dint even fall down

 

[Arthur Brain]

Jumps on the term "Japs" so he can feign outrage and dodge the point. Typical.

Point? What culture was destroyed by the nukes in WWII exactly Musty? Do tell, cos Japan has a breadth of it. Oh, and if I wanted to feign outrage and dodge the "point" then I'd pull one of your stunts - fabricate a lie about you and then lock me own thread...

Still, for an alcoholic with memory issues, he did dodge nicely

Dint even fall down

Mark Twain would have killed for your wit...

Feeble, dude.

 

[ok doser]

What culture was destroyed by the nukes in WWII exactly Musty?

The jap culture of militaristic expansionism and worship of the emperor as a divinity :duh:

 

[ok doser]

You think America can launch a nuke attack and get away with it?

Propose a scenario in which a US nuke strike against Mecca would "plunge the world into catastrophe"


In particular, describe the possible sequence of events which would lead to a Russian retaliatory strike and the reasoning behind such an action by Russia

 

[dodge]

Well, firstly, beliefs weren't 'changed' with the use of nukes in WWII. Secondly, it's not only America who have nuclear weapons these days, so using them in an insane "crusade" to destroy Islam by nuking Mecca will not only do no such thing, it could plunge the world into catastrophe. Unless you happen to be a complete idiot that is, who thinks the reaction would be one of mild condemnation or some such.

Zealots...

:dizzy:

Not much on history are you ? Emperor worship in Japan was destroyed and changed. In Germany worshiping the fatherland was changed.

The world will NEVER change the barbaric beliefs of Islam until they stomp them and their death cult into oblivion.

The crusades were a result of Muslims trying to force their death cult on the west and the lesson learned seems to have been forgotten.

 

[ok doser]

Jumps on the term "Japs" so he can feign outrage and dodge the point. Typical.

Imagine his feigned outrage if I'd used the term "nips" :chuckle:

Not much on history are you ?

He's a dimwitted moron who destroyed what little cognitive ability he may once have had with alcoholism

Pity him