Have you started using the word Allah now ? What's next ?
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Have you started using the word Allah now ? What's next ?
It's in the text.
Greg Jennings
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All true. But if you are good with David and other Israelite leaders slaughtering thousands, then it would stand to reason that you're good with Mohammed slaughtering hundreds
brewmama
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Why? The leaders of Israel were establishing and maintaining a land for God's chosen people, a tiny state called Israel. Islam has tyrannized and taken over a considerable portion of the world, including a large part of what was once called Christendom. And they have killed WAY more than "hundreds".
Greg Jennings
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Okay. So it's okay for Israelites to kill and slaughter in the name of God, but not okay for Mohammed to kill in the name of God? Got it
Actually, the first crusade was held specifically to take over the holy land, which was territory under Muslim control for centuries. Jerusalem never was owned by Christians until they stole it (briefly) from the Muslims. What other parts of Christendom do you think they've stolen from you?
I said that Mohammed and his followers killed hundreds. Not all Muslims combined.
brewmama
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To take BACK the Holy Land, which was Christian, along with all of the Middle East, Turkey, Egypt, and other parts of North Africa, and which were conquered by force by Islam. You really should study some history.
Not quite.
According to scripture the judges were supposed to keep the people segregated from the Gentiles in order as to not be taken by the idols.
The Israelites held the mountainous regions while the Gentiles had the plains. The seduction was that the gods of the Gentiles were superior because of their harvest productions and the erotic temple prostitutes was a strong attraction as well. Kind of like modern day porn.
By the time that the philistines came in, the Israelites had become fully cainanized.
Because of rebellion against Jehovah the Gentiles were not held back from Israel by God and thus the continual weakness of Israel to protect themselves. With David however, we see the addition of the Davidic Covenant which spelled out the eternal dynasty of the house of David. Because of this intervention of Jehovah the Jews now had tremendous success against their enemies.
Keep in mind greg that one only needs to look at Assyrian and Egyptian historical accounts of that era to ascertain the complete ruthlessness of the populations surrounding David.
Greg Jennings
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Jerusalem (holy land) hadn't been Christian for several centuries prior to the crusades. So do you think that Britain has a right to invade the USA because they owned it 250 years ago?
Why does the Koran call for Jihad?
Greg Jennings
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"The literal definition of the word jihad is: striving to achieve a goal, while the Quranic definition of the word is “striving with one’s self and one’s money in the cause of God”.
This Quranic definition is confirmed in a number of Quranic verses which speak of jihad. The following are some examples:
“The true believers are those who believe in God and His messenger, then attain the status of having no doubt whatsoever, and strive (jahadu) with their money and their lives in the cause of God. These are the truthful ones.” 49:15
“Those who believe, and emigrate, and strive (jahadu) in the cause of God with their money and their lives, are far greater in rank in the sight of God. These are the winners.” 9:20
“As for the messenger and those who believed with him, they eagerly strive (jahadu) with their money and their lives. These have deserved all the good things; they are the winners.” 9:88"
http://www.quran-islam.org/articles/part_3/the_concept_of_jihad_(P1360).html
Then what do you call what is being done by such groups as ISIS?
Greg Jennings
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"The concept of jihad is indeed a Quranic one, but sadly, a false and twisted version of this Quranic concept has been used by terrorists acting in the name of Islam to commit various terrorist acts. These terrorist acts, which occur all over the world, aim at the indiscriminate killing of innocent people. They are being undertaken in the name of “jihad”. These non-Islamic acts have gone a long way towards distorting the image of Islam."
Same source
Do you think that the Lord's Resistance Army (basically the Christian Boko Haram) represents Christianity well? Of course not. And just like them, ISIS doesn't represent Islam well
Boko Haram, Christian? I don't know what your talking about.
The point is, Islam teaches that they must have a Jihad, which includes death and killing. It's their end purpose to dominate the world. It will never happen.
Greg Jennings
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You really have never heard of the Lord's Resistance Army? Here's a link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord's_Resistance_Army
Greg Jennings
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It really doesn't. See post #190.
Greg Jennings
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You really have never heard of the Lord's Resistance Army? Here's a link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord's_Resistance_Army
brewmama
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And yet your quotes do not at all prove that striving for Allah does not mean killing infidels. Why are you such an apologist for Islam? Why do you call yourself Christian yet reject the history of the Jewish people as ordered by God?
Why do drink the koolaid of Islamism?
Greg Jennings
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1. I'm agnostic, as my profile to the left will tell you
And yes, my quotes specifically show that killing infidels is not what is meant by jihad in the Quran, and that the term has been hijacked by extremists in order to justify violence
And when you meet in regular battle those who disbelieve, smite their necks; and, when you have overcome them, bind fast the fetters — then afterwards either release them as a favour or by taking ransom — until the war lays down its burdens. That is the ordinance. And if Allah had so pleased, He could have punished them Himself, but He has willed that He may try some of you by others. And those who are killed in the way of Allah — He will never render their works vain.
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