If it's too late, then it was too late for you to have been forgiven at what ever date you claim to have been forgiven 1940-2016.
ISRAEL IS THE FOCAL POINT OF THE BELIEVERS
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If it's too late, then it was too late for you to have been forgiven at what ever date you claim to have been forgiven 1940-2016.
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Then HOW DO YOU get that Jesus will bear the sins of the Jews/earthy Israel if he is NOT coming to bear sins? That means it is too late.
Go ahead and try to defend your beliefs and keep in mind about the thief in the night WHO COMES TO TAKE LIVES.
Don't you know about the thief in the night?
Unlike you, I cannot simply will a post and poof there it is.
I have to type mine out, then post and that in my own timing.
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What in the world are you talking about?! IT IS TOO LATE WHEN Jesus comes AGAIN.
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I have a hard time with sarcasm? I do not 'get' rudeness. What do you mean?!
Sin was paid for on the cross two thousand years ago.
Yeah, I know.
It's been fun!
I've got serious work to do at the lathe.
See ya'!
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Those not saved by the time Jesus comes the last time---it will be too late for forgiveness.
Forgiveness is from Jesus who BEARS OUR SINS.
That is FORGIVENESS.
WHEN he comes again, as in the last coming, then it is too late to say forgive me.
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Run and hide.
Israel was, is, and will be the same Israel as they have always been.
Not to you, because you like to hold on to lies.
Romans 11:28 KJV
(28) As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Isaiah 46:3-4 KJV
(3) Hearken unto me, O house of Jacob, and all the remnant of the house of Israel, which are borne by me from the belly, which are carried from the womb:
(4) And even to your old age I am he; and even to hoar hairs will I carry you: I have made, and I will bear; even I will carry, and will deliver you.
Isaiah 49:14-16 KJV
(14) But Zion said, The LORD hath forsaken me, and my Lord hath forgotten me.
(15) Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee.
(16) Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me.
Isaiah 44:21 KJV
(21) Remember these, O Jacob and Israel; for thou art my servant: I have formed thee; thou art my servant: O Israel, thou shalt not be forgotten of me.
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In the Old Testament, the thief that comes in the day was just coming to steal what you had in your house...because that thief knew, or figured no one would be home when he broke in.
So then, if a thief in the day broke in and you were there...and you killed him...the scriptures say you would be guilty of bloodshed---because that thief was coming in the DAY. HOWEVER, the thief that comes in the night KNOWS that you are in bed sleeping, and so if you are there and wake up---the thief in the night is prepared to take your life, i.e. kill you.
Jesus comes as a thief in the night.
That means Christians have to be ready and dressed waiting for him.
How are we ready and dressed?
We are ready and dressed by being clothed in Christ, i.e. obeying him.
We will NOT be destroyed when Jesus comes against because we will be ready because we obey.
So then, if a thief in the day broke in and you were there...and you killed him...the scriptures say you would be guilty of bloodshed---because that thief was coming in the DAY. HOWEVER, the thief that comes in the night KNOWS that you are in bed sleeping, and so if you are there and wake up---the thief in the night is prepared to take your life, i.e. kill you.
Jesus comes as a thief in the night.
That means Christians have to be ready and dressed waiting for him.
How are we ready and dressed?
We are ready and dressed by being clothed in Christ, i.e. obeying him.
We will NOT be destroyed when Jesus comes against because we will be ready because we obey.
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Sin was paid for then...but anyone who wants to enter that must come through that blood and Jesus will bear those sins when one repents of their sins to him.
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So how do you ever get that you corrected what I said? I said all who overcome through faith in Jesus are Israel.
You said they are the same Israel…
Again, how in the world do you get you made a point?
According to God, earthly land and ethnicity does not matter anymore.
See John 1:13.
That scripture means the Jews were not put away forever, they still have a chance to be saved like anyone else.
That is about the REMNANT.
"Salvation has nothing to do with being a jew by ethnicity, but by being a True Jew; one whose heart is circumcised Rom. 2:29; Ezek. 36:26-27."
"The same are the True Israel of God which was Promised Salvation Is. 45:17 : All of the Election of Grace Eph. 1:4-11; 2 Tim. 1:9!"
"For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God."
Galatians 6 16
Galatians 6: 16 is too subtle for those who are in the spiritual condition of the natural man of I Corinthians 2: 14 to understand - and who have been taught that Israel must always mean Old Covenant Israel.
Remember that in Romans 9: 8 Paul said that "That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed."
And in I Corinthians 10: 18 he says "Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the alter?"
Israel of the flesh are not the children of God. In Galatians 6: 16 Paul is talking about the Israel which is of God, and not just of the flesh. He assumes you can remember what he said about Israel of he flesh in Romans 9: 8 when reading Galatians 6: 16.
Look at II Corinthians 3: 6-11: "Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7. But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8. How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9. For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10. For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11. For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious."
This is a little subtle too. But he starts by saying that God made the Apostles ministers of the Spirit, and not of the letter. Then he talks about the ministration of death, and since this whole text is about the New Testament or New Covenant in contrast to the Old Covenant, the ministration of death is the Old Covenant. He says, on the other hand that the ministration of the Spirit is glorious, and calls the Old Covenant the ministration of condemnation, and says in verse 11 that it was done away. Nowhere does he mention the church.
Galatians 4:24-26 also contrasts the New Covenant to the Old Covenant: "Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all."
There is nothing about the church here either.
Jeremiah 18: 3-6 "Then I went down to the potter's house, and, behold, he wrought a work on the wheels.
4. And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.
5. Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying,
6. O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel."
II Kings 21: 13 anticipates Jeremiah 18: 1-6, in saying "And I will stretch over Jerusalem the line of Samaria, and the plummet of the house of Ahab: and I will wipe Jerusalem as a man wipeth a dish, wiping it, and turning it upside down."
And so does Isaiah 29: 16, "Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?"
Then, in the New Testament, I Peter 2: 5 says "Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ."
Old Covenant Israel was remade by God into a spiritual house. Paul calls that spiritual house the Israel of God in Galatians 6: 16, and Jerusalem which is above, is free and is the mother of us all (all the elect)in Galatians 4: 26.
The Israel of the New Covenant is referred to as the ekklesia many texts of the New Testament, but it is still the Israel of God, still Israel, but remade into a spiritual house. Ekklesia Strong;s number 1577, "A calling out, i.e, a popular meeting,especially a religious congregation...assembly, church."
See: http://www.acu.edu/sponsored/restora...ents/ward.html
"The most common classical usage of ekklesia and its cognates was as a political term, meaning an assembly of citizens. In the Greek city-state the citizens were called forth by the trumpet of the kerux (herald) summoning them to the ekklesia (assembly).........It should be noted that in ordinary usage, ekklesia meant the assembly, and not the body of people involved."
In ekklesia meaning a calling out, its original meaning was a calling out of the people to a meeting or assembly.
Ekklesia is a common noun, while Israel is a proper noun, a one of a kind thing.
"The same are the True Israel of God which was Promised Salvation Is. 45:17 : All of the Election of Grace Eph. 1:4-11; 2 Tim. 1:9!"
"For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God."
Galatians 6 16
Galatians 6: 16 is too subtle for those who are in the spiritual condition of the natural man of I Corinthians 2: 14 to understand - and who have been taught that Israel must always mean Old Covenant Israel.
Remember that in Romans 9: 8 Paul said that "That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed."
And in I Corinthians 10: 18 he says "Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the alter?"
Israel of the flesh are not the children of God. In Galatians 6: 16 Paul is talking about the Israel which is of God, and not just of the flesh. He assumes you can remember what he said about Israel of he flesh in Romans 9: 8 when reading Galatians 6: 16.
Look at II Corinthians 3: 6-11: "Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7. But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8. How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9. For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10. For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11. For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious."
This is a little subtle too. But he starts by saying that God made the Apostles ministers of the Spirit, and not of the letter. Then he talks about the ministration of death, and since this whole text is about the New Testament or New Covenant in contrast to the Old Covenant, the ministration of death is the Old Covenant. He says, on the other hand that the ministration of the Spirit is glorious, and calls the Old Covenant the ministration of condemnation, and says in verse 11 that it was done away. Nowhere does he mention the church.
Galatians 4:24-26 also contrasts the New Covenant to the Old Covenant: "Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all."
There is nothing about the church here either.
Jeremiah 18: 3-6 "Then I went down to the potter's house, and, behold, he wrought a work on the wheels.
4. And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.
5. Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying,
6. O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel."
II Kings 21: 13 anticipates Jeremiah 18: 1-6, in saying "And I will stretch over Jerusalem the line of Samaria, and the plummet of the house of Ahab: and I will wipe Jerusalem as a man wipeth a dish, wiping it, and turning it upside down."
And so does Isaiah 29: 16, "Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?"
Then, in the New Testament, I Peter 2: 5 says "Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ."
Old Covenant Israel was remade by God into a spiritual house. Paul calls that spiritual house the Israel of God in Galatians 6: 16, and Jerusalem which is above, is free and is the mother of us all (all the elect)in Galatians 4: 26.
The Israel of the New Covenant is referred to as the ekklesia many texts of the New Testament, but it is still the Israel of God, still Israel, but remade into a spiritual house. Ekklesia Strong;s number 1577, "A calling out, i.e, a popular meeting,especially a religious congregation...assembly, church."
See: http://www.acu.edu/sponsored/restora...ents/ward.html
"The most common classical usage of ekklesia and its cognates was as a political term, meaning an assembly of citizens. In the Greek city-state the citizens were called forth by the trumpet of the kerux (herald) summoning them to the ekklesia (assembly).........It should be noted that in ordinary usage, ekklesia meant the assembly, and not the body of people involved."
In ekklesia meaning a calling out, its original meaning was a calling out of the people to a meeting or assembly.
Ekklesia is a common noun, while Israel is a proper noun, a one of a kind thing.
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PneumaPsucheSoma
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This is extreme racist bigotry and respecting of persons. God is not a respecter of persons.
It's your 19th-century heresy that's wrong. You guys are all Judaizers, not Christian.
Very rude of you....sarcastic as well.
What, I'm supposed to give up my livelyhood to engage with you in continual miscommunication and illogical reasoning?
Nah... I engage in these dialogues with you never expecting a resolution, therefore only briefly and occasionally.
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You give a "poof" answer in your rude and untruthful judgement of me. How is it rude for me to point that out? I do not attack you, you attack me.
It is not an attack from me to point that out.
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Steko came back to attack me so more, but no mentions of the thief that comes in the night.
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Shouldn't you be off 'obeying'?
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They want to heap abuse on me but if I point it out they say I am the one abusing.
That is unreasonable, ill logical nonsense.
That is unreasonable, ill logical nonsense.
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Another accuser has joined the pack.
I am obeying, as always.
Where do you get it is disobeying to try to teach others the truth?