Importance of Obedience - Law vs Faith

[God's Truth]

Judging my motives now! How unbecoming.

We are to judge those who claim to be in the church/body of Christ.

We are to contend for the faith, and you are speaking against it.

 

[JonahofAkron]

Just because Paul did something on a particular doesn't mean we are commanded to keep it. Paul also took up a collection and preached on the first day but of course you won't mention that will you SDA? Adventists reject the resurrection of Christ simply because it took place on Sunday.

Say what? I've never heard that.

His resurrection is fulfillment of the Feast of Firstfruits and that happens on a Sunday.



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[themuzicman]

It is sin to fall into a false denomination, false teachings. Nowhere anywhere are we told we do not have to obey anything anymore.

Looks like you're in a false denomination, as John clearly states the commandments of the New Covenant in 1 JOhn 3:23.

 

[themuzicman]

NO one can obey those commands without obeying everything that Jesus says.

Actually, we'd have to obey those things Jesus commanded to those in the New Covenant.

 

[themuzicman]

We can know what Paul means by the law!

Paul is speaking about the old law WITH THE PURIFICATION/CEREMONIAL works. Those works are the works that separated Jews from Gentiles.

Paul never makes this distinction in Romans.

 

[God's Truth]

Looks like you're in a false denomination, as John clearly states the commandments of the New Covenant in 1 JOhn 3:23.

No accuser, I honor my Father.

 

[God's Truth]

Actually, we'd have to obey those things Jesus commanded to those in the New Covenant.

I am talking about the New Testament.

Think about why you are so confused.

I know what Jesus says why you are confused.

 

[God's Truth]

Paul never makes this distinction in Romans.

Paul was a Pharisee and made sure that people upheld the purification/ceremonial works of the law before he became a Christian. IT IS THE WORKS THAT kept Jews and Gentiles separate. It is the no works that Paul teaches us about, but UNSTABLE and ignorant people misunderstand Paul, see 2 Peter 3:16, and 17.

The Jews did those purification/ceremonial works for over 1,600 years.

 

[themuzicman]

I am talking about the New Testament.

Think about why you are so confused.

I know what Jesus says why you are confused.

Really? Do you realize that Jesus' ministry was to the Old Covenant Jews? That he discussed and directed these Old Covenant Jews to the Old Covenant so they would recognize their Messiah?

 

[themuzicman]

Paul was a Pharisee and made sure that people upheld the purification/ceremonial works of the law before he became a Christian. IT IS THE WORKS THAT kept Jews and Gentiles separate. It is the no works that Paul teaches us about, but UNSTABLE and ignorant people misunderstand Paul, see 2 Peter 3:16, and 17.

The Jews did those purification/ceremonial works for over 1,600 years.

As a part of the Mosaic Covenant, yes. But we are no longer under the Old Covenant, but the New Covenant, and a New High Priest. And with a New High Priest (and order) comes a New Law. We are no longer under the 613 commandments of the Mosaic Covenant.

 

[God's Truth]

Really? Do you realize that Jesus' ministry was to the Old Covenant Jews?

Jesus said when he is crucified---then all could hear what he says and be saved!!!

That he discussed and directed these Old Covenant Jews to the Old Covenant so they would recognize their Messiah?

When Jesus came to earth, he taught the NEW COVENANT.

Luke 16:16
The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. Since that time, the gospel of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it.

 

[God's Truth]

Jesus came FIRST for the Jews who already belonged to God by faith.

The other Jews were cut off.

When Jesus was crucified, then all could come to him to be saved.

 

[God's Truth]

Jesus came and taught the New Covenant, and then Jesus died and shed his blood for the new covenant.

 

[God's Truth]

As a part of the Mosaic Covenant, yes. But we are no longer under the Old Covenant, but the New Covenant, and a New High Priest. And with a New High Priest (and order) comes a New Law. We are no longer under the 613 commandments of the Mosaic Covenant.

That High Priest is JESUS. Jesus' words are for EVERYONE, even the words he spoke while he walked the earth!

You cannot write off any of Jesus' words.

 

[JonahofAkron]

Paul was a Pharisee and made sure that people upheld the purification/ceremonial works of the law before he became a Christian. IT IS THE WORKS THAT kept Jews and Gentiles separate. It is the no works that Paul teaches us about, but UNSTABLE and ignorant people misunderstand Paul, see 2 Peter 3:16, and 17.

The Jews did those purification/ceremonial works for over 1,600 years.

Racism kept them apart. That's why Paul is clear to say that the separation between them in the wall that separates them has been taken down.

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[themuzicman]

Jesus came FIRST for the Jews who already belonged to God by faith.

The other Jews were cut off.

When Jesus was crucified, then all could come to him to be saved.

So, no non-Jews could be saved or believe before Jesus was crucified?

 

[themuzicman]

That High Priest is JESUS. Jesus' words are for EVERYONE, even the words he spoke while he walked the earth!

You cannot write off any of Jesus' words.

So, you are impoverished?

21 Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”

 

[jamie]

If I can't be sure, you can't be sure.

Are you sure?

 

[JonahofAkron]

Are you sure?

Not even remotely.

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[Epoisses]

It is never, ever, a dead work to obey God's glorious words.

How could you ever get that obeying God is dead?

You don't obey because you are a sinner and have nothing to offer. Those that live by faith alone are the only ones who obey because their obedience is from Christ.