Importance of Obedience - Law vs Faith

iamaberean

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Rom 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Rom 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
2Co 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
2Co 10:6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
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From ἔργω ergō (a primary but obsolete word; to work); toil (as an effort or occupation); by implication an act: - deed, doing, labour, work.

Works of Law vs Works of Faith

Proper use of words will help us understand the Word of God. How do we do that?

Hermeneutics says that if there is a misunderstanding of a word, then search the scriptures for answers.
Salvation is received and maintained by being obedient to God's word. So as we read the scriptures below, replace the word works with obedience. I will help by showing that beside each one,


Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
There is no doubt that salvation is by grace through faith. We can accept this just as it is written.

Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works (obedience), is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works (obedience): shew me thy faith without thy works (obedience), and I will shew thee my faith by my works (obedience).
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works (obedience) is dead?
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works (obedience), when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

Indeed we are saved by grace, but it is by being obedient that it is made perfect. Obedience is the works of those serving Jesus. So again, let us subsitute the word obedience for works.

Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works (obedience), and by works (obedience)was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works (obedience) a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Jas 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works (obedience), when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works COLOR="#0000CD"](obedience)[/COLOR] is dead also.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Doing the will of our Father requires obedience.

Luk 6:49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.

Joh 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

1Jn 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

2Co 7:15 And his inward affection is more abundant toward you, whilst he remembereth the obedience of you all, how with fear and trembling ye received him.

Act 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works (obedience) meet for repentance.

The above show the works (obedience) of faith.

Other times when law is used in the new testament it will not be used alone but it will state the works of law.
Now let us look at the works of law. Again we will replace works with obedience.

Rom 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works (obedience)? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Rom 9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Rom 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works (obedience)of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works (obedience) of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the
faith of Christ, and not by the works (obedience) of the law: for by the works (obedience) of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works (obedience) of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Gal 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works (obedience) of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works (obedience) of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

The works (obedience) of the law has been done away with, we live under the works (obedience) of faith.

When Jesus states that we must do something, it is not the for our works (obedience) of the law but for our works (obedience) of faith that we do it.



Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Not every one is going to enter into God's kingdom only those that do his will.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Works alone will not be enough for God to know us.

Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Who ever 'heareth' these things Jesus says, and 'doeth' them are the wise men.
Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
Let us build our house on the 'rock', as Jesus says to build it.
Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
He that 'heardth' these things that Jesus says, and 'does not do them' is a foolish man. If God has said, by way of scripture, to do this or that, then by faith we should do it.
Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.


Can one read the above and think that it is just good works that get us into heaven? No, it is by grace we are saved through faith and by faith we are obedient to God's will.


 

patrick jane

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So you found some Bible verses that have the words obedience and obey in them ? Good job. Obedience to the FAITH is what we need to have. We are saved by the obedience of Christ
 

serpentdove

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We are saved by jumping thru hoops and begging for a biscuit. Jesus is a people trainer.
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works (Eph 2:10a). Fruit (or evidence :sherlock: [Mt 7:20]) is produced by him (Gal. 5:22, 23). :straight:
 

Epoisses

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Obedience to the law of Love. Love was only the sole focus of every single NT author including Jesus and James.
 

Nang

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Adam broke the law written in his heart. There were no ten commandments in the garden of Eden. The new birth gives us back what Adam lost at the fall.

I read three erroneous statements in this post:

1. The law of God never was written in the heart of Adam.

2. God's commands from which the Decalogue developed were given to Adam in the garden.

3. The new birth raises us to new life in the last Adam, Jesus Christ, which far exceeds any inheritance from the first Adam.
 

iamaberean

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Adam broke the law written in his heart. There were no ten commandments in the garden of Eden. The new birth gives us back what Adam lost at the fall.

There was one commandment:
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
 

Epoisses

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I read three erroneous statements in this post:

1. The law of God never was written in the heart of Adam.

2. God's commands from which the Decalogue developed were given to Adam in the garden.

3. The new birth raises us to new life in the last Adam, Jesus Christ, which far exceeds any inheritance from the first Adam.

Adam broke the law of faith when he believed the serpent over God and listened to his wife, You moron.

The law of faith is not one of the ten commandments and the new commandment of love is not either.
 

Epoisses

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So why did Christ warn Cain of sin if there were no commandments?

Adam sinned and Cain sinned.

The Law was not given till Moses. This is a fact of the bible and the law was only temporary seeing it expired at the cross. We are to live by grace thru faith expressed in love for God and man today.
 

jamie

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The Law was not given till Moses.

The seventh day of rest began at creation and there is no reason to believe Adam was not informed of the Sabbath and the other parameters of God's everlasting covenant such as adultery.

And God said to him (Abimelech) in a dream, "Yes, I know that you did this in the integrity of your heart. For I also withheld you from sinning against Me, therefore I did not let you touch her." (Genesis 20:6)​

Adultery is sin and God kept Abimelech from sinning.
 
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