You cannot mislead anyone if you follow whole context of the Bible is all about God and Jesus' love.
Did Christ know He was fully God?
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You cannot mislead anyone if you follow whole context of the Bible is all about God and Jesus' love.
oatmeal
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You are a vague as a person as I know
Why did Jesus say, "I can of myself do nothing"
Was it because He was fully God and had full power and the authority of God but that power and authority amounted to nothing that he could actually do something with?
or was it because he was simply a human like you and me and realized that without God, we would not even exist?
In other words, show me where I am attempting to rewrite the Bible or misunderstanding what Jesus said.
Show me or admit you are a false accuser
there are many posters here like him.
He is not the only one.
I believe it is one of the tactics to send mixed messages so has excuse to accuse of their opponents as ignorant..
That's why I respect posters simple messages. They are honest ones, imo.
Your explanation of trinity is brilliant and a good example of clear and simple messages.
thank you, bless you brother.
oatmeal
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You love to break things don't you?
You love to extrapolate to the point of sheer stupidity?
Jesus is not "God the Son" if you think that is a truthful title for Jesus, then please show me from God's written logos where God refers to Jesus as God the Son.
Why are you trying to put words into God's mouth?
Why not simply believe the testimony that God gave of his son?
Why not believe the truth that is written and why it was written?
John 20:31
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
What is one of the reasons that these are written that we might believe what?
a. that Jesus is God the Son?
b. that Jesus is part of a three part God
c. that Jesus is fully God
d. that Jesus is fully God and fully man
e. that Caino is right
f. that Jesus is the son of God
Answer me this
oatmeal
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Are you so uneducated?
Your teachers must have been scam artists, charlatans
Messiah means anointed
Christ means anointed
Jesus is the Christ, the messiah, the anointed one
Who anointed him?
a. himself
b. God
Acts 10:38
How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
God anointed Jesus of N
Jesus did not anoint himself
If you want to learn a few things let me know I can point you in a great direction
oatmeal
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He believed God's promise that God would raise him up
Without that believing God's hands would be tied and Jesus would not have been raised
Mark 11:23
For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
Jesus Christ taught plainly how to believe and thus how to achieve God's goals and purposes for our lives
If Jesus had any doubt about the promise of God, Jesus would not have been believing
Maybe you can explain I Thessalonians 4:16 for me, specifically the emboldened words,
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
If I am dead when Christ returns as described in this passage, will I
a. be raised from the dead
b. rise up of my own volition
What say you? What does that phrase say?
If I look only at that phrase it would be simple to conclude that I will raise my self up from the dead for that passage says nothing about either God or Jesus raising me from the dead
Read it for yourself:
I Thessalonians 4:13-17
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Obviously, most Christians are not careful readers of the scripture, hence, they continue to believe the trinity and other errors
Simple, The divine Son is always in humble submission to the will of the Father.
I didn’t say you were rewriting the Bible, you are just arguing by default that Jesus mislead billions of people who hear something different in the words of Jesus.
John 10:18
No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."
The Son of God always gives credit to his Father for his own existence, powers and glory.
Jesus made the point blank declaration in his own promise to return from the dead based on his own inherent power to do so. The temporary human form of Jesus is what he laid down, the Son of God didn’t die, he returned in a likeness of his former mortal body which appears and disappears in front of believers. He then returned to his place in heaven from which he came.
Demonstrating your secret conceit doesn’t make your arguments any more true. The Jews have had ample time to review the record and they still have the same scripture based reasons to reject Jesus. The problem wasn’t Jesus, the problem was an ilconceived Messiah on the part of the arrogant Jews who rewrote the Old Testament in Babylon.
The Son of God didn’t fulfill the erronious expectations of your stubborn counterparts. The Kingdom is spiritual and for ALL the world, not a self proclaimed chosen few.!
Where did Gabriel come from? Where did he go? Where did Satan live? Was he also just a human?
oatmeal
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Why?
If Jesus is as much God as God is God, then why?
What don't you understand about "I can of myself do nothing"
If Jesus was fully God, he would say "I act based on the counsel of my own will, who has instructed me? who came before me that would be wiser than me?"
If Jesus was God, he would not have to be given any authority what so ever.
God already has all the authority to do what He needs to do
Jesus had to be given authority because he is not God.
God delegated all the authority God found fit to give him
oatmeal
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Jesus told his apostles that he is The Son of God. Then he told them to keep that a secret until he left.
Did the Father retire? Jesus is in heaven now with all power and authority given to him. He had power and authority before he same down to earth.
The authorities who heard Jesus concluded the same thing in his teachings. It was used against him in his trial.
oatmeal
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I have no "secret conceit"
My confidence in the veracity of scripture is obvious and been shown time after time
My confidence in my ability to read scripture and believe it for what is says without injecting preconceived notions into it is obvious and not hidden whatsoever.
Jesus Christ meant what he said and he said what he meant when he said, "I can of myself do nothing"
That is true of me as well, I can of myself do nothing
Without God I would not exist, the earth would not exist, the heavens would not exist, you would not exist, Jesus Christ would not exist
Neither I nor Jesus EVER said that the Son of God is as much God as God. The Son is ansestral to the Father and he knows it. The Father isn’t ansestral to anyone.
oatmeal
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You suffer from being blind to clear messages.