Edge said: I never told Erin she was a bad person. I would not do something like that.
I read your post, that’s not the impression I got. Do you mean that you didn’t use those exact words? :doh:
Edge said: And when I looked at the Bob Enyart thread she showed me, I read it, then I looked up Bob's credentials, and came across those child abuse charges and his bad radio ratings. So that is where I was coming from. Nothing two-faced about it.
Well I didn’t hide how I said you were two faced, I gave three distinct examples of it. Whenever you tell someone they shouldn’t judge, and then proceed to judge someone yourself, that is two-faced and hypocritical. Whenever you say it is wrong for someone else to be rude, and then air their family squabbles publicly (a rude act, even if factual) you are two-faced. (Incidentally, if you maintain that this isn't rude, try this tactic at a party about the person sitting next to you and see if
they hold it as rude!)
I’m not saying judging or being rude is always wrong, the Bible says otherwise. But you did state that and you can’t even stand behind your own self-righteousness without being two-faced.
Edge said: “But back to the point...Spanking is all good, but Bob Enyart crossed the line between Godly adminition and abuse. “
Nonsense, he spanked. God says that a child may be spanked by the rod and not die. That rebellion should be driven out with the blueness of the rod. These are harsh terms put in the Bible, but they are not outside of God’s will, nor do they count as abuse.
Edge said:And the fierce devotion to him is a little creepy. Nothing I can do about it, you all follow who you like.
Perhaps you don’t have many friends, or you aren’t a very good friend yourself? Perhaps that’s why you don’t understand?
Edge said:People need to admit that Bob Enyart is not this untouchable, holy authority on God.
Agreed. No one said otherwise. However, you falsely charged that he spanks his children against the wishes of the child’s mother. I’ve met his wife. She’s no more against spanking than I. You also said that Enyart feels that the Old Testament Law is in affect today as much as it was in the Old Testament. This isn’t exactly what Enyart teaches. He states that certain principles are still in effect, for instance he uses
New Testament support for the death penalty to show that it is in effect as much as before.
But alas, I’m sure you have excuses for your statements that you feel justify you even before those that have a little more knowledge than you on these subjects. Or at least, your pride will require you to come up with an excuse.
Edge sid Enyart has a much more questionable past than any of the men I mentioned, after he came to Christ!
So did Peter. So has Ryrie. So has Macarthur. So has Billy Graham. So has Jerry Falwell. So has D. James Kennedy. Bob's sins are more grevious than some, and less than others. Apparently you are the only one claiming to be perfect since becoming a Christian. I agree that there are some things that Enyart has done that were sinful since becoming a Christian – even though I do not agree with you that spanking is one of them. Just from what I have heard of his divorce he admits that it was his own sin that destroyed his first marriage. So yes, I do find that he has sinned, and sinned even since then. I’m sorry but your argument is not a sufficient one. It is not due to a motive never to see fault in the man that we come to his defense on this issue.
That's a false charge against us! Even the athiests and agnostics, who typically hate Christ and the more devote Christians (Jn 15:18), but loved you initially because you chose to attack fellow christians on matters of tactics, are starting to turn on you. Maybe it's time for a breather and self-reflextion?
Edge said:I read more about Enyart today, and I see he's done a lot of good, but I still question his motives and views on some things. Therefore, I just have a little trouble when people act like Bob Enyart is the source of absolute truth.
Of course your pride will never let you to accept rebuke, or to admit you are wrong. You read a little and made a decision. Now you’ve read that Enyart has a very good reputation among certain large corners of the Christian community for his good works, but you are in a pickle because you’ve already “trashed him” verbally without having read both sides, and having a lot of pride in your life, you have a hard time admitting you may have judged too quickly based on one-sided information.
Edge saidDo the research for yourselves. I think is 5 day thing is absolutely chilling. That freaks me out, and I don't think Christian men need to be worrying about changing our government to put to death all the people that Enyart thinks should be executed. In my opinion, homosexuality is a sin, and people can turn from it. I had a friend in college who was saved and gave up homosexuality, and married a beautiful lady. So as you can see, I disagree and I have the right to.
I don’t always agree with him either (although I do regarding homosexuality). I only got involved because it was obvious your behavior was atrocious.
