StanJ53
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Seems the ONLY time you show up is when Homosexuals are being discussed. You have some good unresolved issues acw. Was it an uncle or a friend?
Who Here Chose To Be Heterosexual?
- Thread starter Arthur Brain
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Seems the ONLY time you show up is when Homosexuals are being discussed. You have some good unresolved issues acw. Was it an uncle or a friend?
Then murder, and theft and all other manner of sins are ok so long as its a natural temptation in us.
Temptation is not sin, acting on it can be though depending on what the temptation is.
We all know we have to learn to control certain temptations though dont we, just in living, its a constant lesson isnt it.
Why imply homosexualism more a temptation than heterosexualism?
Both of them have that nasty term imbeded within them...."sex"! :chuckle:
You need to explain that, will spock die or something if he doesnt have sex? I am not familiar enough with star trek to know things like that.
Spock has no emotions ... he doesn't need or want sex.
alwight
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I sometimes think you simply go out of your way to miss the point.
I understand what your doctrine and beliefs say about gay people having sex, but put all that aside for a moment or two can we?
From a secular pov:
Tell me who is actually harmed by consensual responsible homosexual sex?
What exactly is so wrong with gay sex that can't equally be applied to straight sex?
Do any innocent third parties get deprived of their property or lives by a gay couple having sex? :nono:
Civil laws on (say) murder and theft don't exist simply as a convenience for maintaining your particular doctrinally based morality and dogma, they exist in the main to protect society from those who would do actual harm to others.
You clearly do not approve of what gay couples may do in bed together but unless you can show that physical or mental harm is being imposed then I politely suggest that you butt out and show some tolerance.
alwight
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pon_farr
"Pon farr was introduced and prominently featured in the original Star Trek series episode "Amok Time", written by Theodore Sturgeon. In the episode, Mr. Spock experiences pon farr and is returned to his home planet Vulcan by Captain Kirk and Dr. McCoy in order to undergo the mating ritual and save his life"
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Lon
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Yes, whether such brainless masses enjoy watching it or not. I'd pay no money to see someone eat glass *(more later under 'explode')
Rather, what you are implying/suggesting, is that we not stifle any appetite whatsoever, knowing full well that certain ones should be stifled. It is called 'self-control' and we might yet esteem it as a society. If not, then it is just me and we can disagree. After that, as you say above, we can discuss the religious implications as well, but I've left that off for an appeal to common sense.
:doh: I was celibate until I was 27 and married. * I didn't explode...difference between living in a fantasy world and reality...
Some parent's son or daughter.... and their parents...and extended family, etc. etc. I could make a list for an hour, easily and you are naive. Do a Google search of 'harm' caused. It happens in unwed cases too, but don't turn a blind-eye for convenience sake.
Again, it is an inability to say 'no.' Part of our nation's financial crisis is caused by this entitlement behavior of 'have now' then 'pay later.' Judgement is too far away, even for you, to make much of a difference in your life. For me, that is a strange denial of consequences. There are consequences for our every behavior. Those are some of the practical issues, without needing religious reasons but when God enters the picture, this debate is over imo:
Just saying "there is no God to answer to" is much too convenient and frankly, childish and purposefully obtuse. Such is an atheist wanna-be rather than an actual. I see a lot of hoping and praying to some other god to not have to meet the one who is associated with the cross of His Son...
StanJ53
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Actually that is not correct. He was returned to Vulcan to have his "marbles" as Bones called them, returned to his refurbished body. He underwent ponfar on the Genesis planet before it was destroyed, and Saaviik, a fellow Vulcan brought him through it. She was played by a different actress in STII.
This movie was STIII The Search for Spock, which started at the end of STII The Wrath of Khan.
FYI, you can't ALWAYS trust Wiki to be accurate, but a Trekkie like me knows it ALL.
alwight
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No, I tend to disagree. Although I've never been a "Trekkie" as such I seem to remember the original series fairly well, being an old git.
The Wiki page seems to closely match my recollection from the original series anyway, but if indeed it is wrong then surely it would have been corrected by an ST1 enthusiast by now, since there are quite a few?
The TV episode IIRC involved Spock having a physical need to find a Vulcan mate on Vulcan which wasn't available on the Enterprise, else how else would unemotional Vulcans ever reproduce?
The movie IIRC was nothing to do with Vulcan sex lives, Spock was contaminated and died. His body ended up on the Genesis Planet where he came back to life as younger version of himself when life was generated on the planet.
I see that resurrected seems to agree with me.
StanJ53
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No, I tend to disagree. Although I've never been a "Trekkie" as such I seem to remember the original series fairly well, being an old git.
The Wiki page seems to closely match my recollection from the original series anyway, but if indeed it is wrong then surely it would have been corrected by an ST1 enthusiast by now, since there are quite a few?
The TV episode IIRC involved Spock having a physical need to find a Vulcan mate on Vulcan which wasn't available on the Enterprise, else how else would unemotional Vulcans ever reproduce?
The movie IIRC was nothing to do with Vulcan sex lives, Spock was contaminated and died. His body ended up on the Genesis Planet where he came back to life as younger version of himself when life was generated on the planet.
I see that resurrected seems to agree with me.
Sorry you were right, I read the wrong part of the link. The movie is as I described but the TV episode is as you described. I do remember the TV episode.
Arthur Brain
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Who here chose to be a 'Trekkie'?
They (vulcans, isnt that what he is suppose to be) reproduce without it?
Actually its you who went out of your way to miss the point. Tell me where emotions have anything to do with science and the way men and women are physically made and what those differences are for, explain please.
Who here chose to be a 'Trekkie'?
Not me, which i dont know much about it.