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Danoh

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Interplanner said:
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I don't know what else can be gained from shadow-gazing. In Gal 5 Paul lists the fruit of the Spirit, followed by this fascinating line: 'about such there is no law.' That speaks volumes. 'About such...' means 'you don't make laws about these things, they just--grow!' So, why would God go back to 'making laws' when the method of the Spirit is for true care and love to grow? What is all this defending the shadow about, really? Is it an absence of the work of the Spirit of God through the Gospel of God? I trust it is not.
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Just goes to show your actual "hermeneutic" is that of "what this means to me is...."

Just goes to show yours is not based on actual, exhaustive time in the text itself.

Galatians 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 5:15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

He has just related not only that the Believer is not under the Law; but that if the Believer allows himself to be led of the Spirit, he will not set off in himself those things the Law had been meant to set off in one.

He is stating a law, or operating principle - the law of sin and death - that the legalist ends up setting off in himself.

The law of sin reviving and the Believer dying, or rendered unable to circumvent the following, that the Law's sin and death principle had been meant to set off in one; that sin might appear...sin, back when the Law was the system in place.

Legalism being that it operates on the same principle as the Law; sets off in one the same law of sin and death that the Law would. Its sets off the following...

Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

There is that - the fruit of legalism.

And there is this...

5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Against such, there is no prohibition, as is the case with the other.

You want to show how much you are walking in accordance with God's standard?

You want to show how you are not violating God's standard?

Well there it is - live it up!

Love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance...

Against such there is no prohibition, - none whatsoever - and as a result; you have no excuse - none whatsoever - for your biting and devouring one another.

Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

Walk in these toward one another - Love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance - and you'll be walking in the Spirit toward one another.

Against doing so; there is no law.

Your carrying on towards one another in the way ye are, ye Galatians, because ye have put yourself back under a system that because it was meant to gender enmity, was actually not able to bring about the walking in love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance toward one another that its' righteousness had required of one.

Though "all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself" the Law was unable to result in that in one, because it was weak through the flesh - through the law, or operating principle of sin and death the Law had actually been meant to set off in the flesh, that sin might appear sin in the lost man, and that is no longer you!

Quit putting yourself back under that!

Galatians 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

There - that ought to hold every one in the bond of Grace until Sunday, lol
 
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Danoh

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An afterthought...

Paul wrote Galatians, some ten years before he wrote about all that in Romans.

Add in when he first preached this to the Galatians that he was basically reminding them of...

And to that add in when Paul had had to have come to an understanding of all that himself...

And what you find is that Paul had had a theology much more fully developed much earlier in Acts, than some would credit him.

Galatians is bursting with an already fully developed Romans' establishment truth some ten years before he wrote Romans.

While its' "new creature" Gal. 6:15, is not only Romans 8 based truth, but that of Ephesians 4, and Colossians 3, way before he finally laid out their truth much more fully, in written form - again, mostly as a reminder of what their recipents had already had preached unto them at some point previous to said letters.
 
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Interplanner said:
Danoh wrote:
He is pointing out their failure to receive Acts 3's preaching to THEM and its OFFER to blot out of THEIR sin at the Lord's return, which is when the GENTILE aspect of THEIR commission would THEN kick in - AFTER THEIR - ISRAEL'S salvation FIRST.

It is nonsense to say this, to speak about things happening thousands of years away as though they were pressing issues. This is what is done to Mt 24's intro, too. He means present issues; D'ists say it is about things thousands of years away. That's irrational.

You have also changed 'salvation' again in to a Judaistic thing. it does not mean this here or in Rom 11 because the quote of Isaiah in Rom 11 tells us that Paul means the same thing (justification from sins) that he has meant all through the debate. It is NEVER about a Judaistic theocracy re-install, therefore salvation is immediately and universally available by faith.
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You're wrong on ALL counts!
 
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I don't know what you mean. Try one. The Judaistic theocracy is everywhere. The leap to the future is everywhere. The changing of 'saved' in Rom 11:26 is everywhere.
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It is all irrelevant. That is the only point to make given the fact that out the two identities will come one new man, neither Jew or Gentile. The way of it all is found in the history of 'how' it is dealt with by understanding God's past dealings with the Jews to understand that the nation Israel is a type of God's dealings with the whole world.
 
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It is all irrelevant. That is the only point to make given the fact that out the two identities will come one new man, neither Jew or Gentile. The way of it all is found in the history of 'how' it is dealt with by understanding God's past dealings with the Jews to understand that the nation Israel is a type of God's dealings with the whole world.
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And yet the way to show people that Israel was only a shadow is to demonstrate it in the research. Thus Paul is found "Every sabbath he reasoned in the synagogue,trying to persuade Jews and Greeks." Acts 18:4
 
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