Would Christ introduce the Pagan concept of Hell into Christianity?
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Most "pagan" concepts are based in reality.
The Greek "Hades" is one of those concepts.
Why would you attempt to deceive the sheep, on this board, with your made up, devious "is not even in the original text of the bible."? How would you know that? You've examined "the original text," have you? Save it-it's a rhetorical q, exposing you as a fraud, as you just saw this "not even in the original text of the bible" on another site. Get honest with this board, poser.
Hell and burning hell are fundamental Pharisaic concepts upheld by the majority of Hebrew speaking Jews back in Jesus' days. The term hell is an rather new English word used. The corresponding Greek word is Hades which is used to interpret the Jewish word Sheol. Sheol refers a dark place where humans souls are detained. The equivalent term for burning hell is the Lake of Fire.
This is how first century Jewish historian Josephus tried to explain Sheol (Greek word Hades) to the Greeks.
An Extract Out of Josephus’ Discourse to the Greeks Concerning Hades
1. Now as to Hades, wherein the souls of the of the good things they see, and rejoice in the righteous and unrighteous are detained, it is necessary to speak of it. Hades is a place in the world not regularly finished; a subterraneous region, wherein the light of this world does not shine; from which circumstance, that in this region the light does not shine, it cannot be but there must be in it perpetual darkness. This region is allotted as a place of custody for souls, ill which angels are appointed as guardians to them, who distribute to them temporary punishments, agreeable to every one's behavior and manners.
2. In this region there is a certain place set apart, as a lake of unquenchable fire, whereinto we suppose no one hath hitherto been cast; but it is prepared for a day afore-determined by God, in which one righteous sentence shall deservedly be passed upon all men; when the unjust, and those that have been disobedient to God, and have given honor to such idols as have been the vain operations of the hands of men as to God himself, shall be adjudged to this everlasting punishment, as having been the causes of defilement; while the just shall obtain an incorruptible and never-fading kingdom. These are now indeed confined in Hades, but not in the same place wherein the unjust are confined.
Jesus didn't refute this concept, He made use of this concept as an illustration in at least one of His parables.
This is how first century Jewish historian Josephus tried to explain Sheol (Greek word Hades) to the Greeks.
An Extract Out of Josephus’ Discourse to the Greeks Concerning Hades
1. Now as to Hades, wherein the souls of the of the good things they see, and rejoice in the righteous and unrighteous are detained, it is necessary to speak of it. Hades is a place in the world not regularly finished; a subterraneous region, wherein the light of this world does not shine; from which circumstance, that in this region the light does not shine, it cannot be but there must be in it perpetual darkness. This region is allotted as a place of custody for souls, ill which angels are appointed as guardians to them, who distribute to them temporary punishments, agreeable to every one's behavior and manners.
2. In this region there is a certain place set apart, as a lake of unquenchable fire, whereinto we suppose no one hath hitherto been cast; but it is prepared for a day afore-determined by God, in which one righteous sentence shall deservedly be passed upon all men; when the unjust, and those that have been disobedient to God, and have given honor to such idols as have been the vain operations of the hands of men as to God himself, shall be adjudged to this everlasting punishment, as having been the causes of defilement; while the just shall obtain an incorruptible and never-fading kingdom. These are now indeed confined in Hades, but not in the same place wherein the unjust are confined.
Jesus didn't refute this concept, He made use of this concept as an illustration in at least one of His parables.
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[FONT="]Hell. Germanic origin: Pagan Myth. [/FONT][FONT="]The word was used to transfer the Pagan concept to Christian theology. For the Judaic-Christian origin of the concept, see Gehenna. [/FONT]
[FONT="]Hell[/FONT][FONT="]
Old English hel, hell, of Germanic origin; related to Dutch hel and German Hölle, from an Indo-European root meaning ‘to cover, conceal, or hide.
Hell was taught in Greek philosophy by Plato between 427-347 BC.
Hell
Also Hell, Old English hel, helle, "nether world, abode of the dead, infernal regions, place of torment for the wicked after death," from Proto-Germanic *haljo "the underworld" (cognates: Old Frisian helle, Old Saxon hellia, Dutch hel, Old Norse hel, German Hölle, Gothic halja "hell").
The English word may be in part from the Old Norse mythological Hel (from Proto-Germanic *halija "one who covers up or hides something"), in Norse mythology the name of Loki's daughter who rules over the evil dead in Niflheim, the lowest of all worlds (nifl "mist"). Hell is a pagan concept and word adapted to Christianity.[/FONT]
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[FONT="]Tar-ta-rus (tartarus) [[ Gr Tartaros ]] Gr. Myth. 1.[/FONT][FONT="] An infernal abyss below Hades, where Zeus hurls the rebel Titans, later a place of punishment for the demons and devils. (mentioned only once in the Bible)
Ha-des (hadez) [[Gr Haides ]] 1 Gr. Myth. a. The home of the dead, beneath the earth. b The god of the underworld. 2. Bible: The state or resting place of the dead: name used in some modern translations of the New Testament .[/FONT]
[FONT="]Hades[/FONT][FONT="] ( /ˈheɪdiːz/; from Greek ᾍδης (older form Ἀϝίδης), Hadēs, originally Ἅιδης, Haidēs or Άΐδης, Aidēs (Doric Ἀΐδας Aidas), meaning "the unseen") was the ancient Greek god of the underworld. The genitive ᾍδου, Haidou, was an elision to denote locality: "[the house/dominion] of Hades". Eventually, the nominative came to designate the abode of the dead.
In Greek mythology, Hades is the oldest male child of Cronus and Rhea. According to myth, he and his brothers Zeus and Poseidon defeated the Titans and claimed rulership over the cosmos, ruling the underworld, air, and sea, respectively; the solid earth, long the province of Gaia, was available to all three concurrently.
Hades was also called "Plouton" (Greek: Πλούτων, gen.: Πλούτωνος, meaning "Rich One"), a name which the Romans Latinized as Pluto. The Romans would associate Hades/Pluto with their own chthonic gods, Dis Pater and Orcus. The corresponding Etruscan god was Aita. Symbols associated with him are the Helm of Darkness, the bident and the three-headed dog, Cerberus.
She-ol (sheol) [[Heb shaal , to dig]] A place in the depths of the earth conceived of as the dwelling of the dead. Note: In the KJV about half of scriptures are translated as hell, the other half as grave.
Gehenna: Mentioned twelve or thirteen times in the bible. Gehenna: Referring to the Valley of Hinnom, or Gehenna which is the city dump outside the walls of Jerusalem.
Topheth is believed to be a location in Jerusalem, in the Valley of Hinnom, where the Canaanites sacrificed children to the god Moloch by burning them alive.[/FONT]
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The Pagan and Gnostic Jews believed in Hell and the such, but not the Ulta-Orthodox Jews.
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Is this a Pagan insertion in our bible?
[h=3]The Rich Man and Lazarus[/h]19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’
25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’
27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’
29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’
30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’
31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”
[h=4] [FONT="] Pope Gregory and Paganism[/FONT][FONT="]. [/FONT]
[FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]The attitude of the Catholic Church toward paganism is best summed up by Pope Gregory the Great, in his words to a missionary:[/FONT][FONT="] “You must not interfere with any traditional belief or religious observance that can be harmonized with Christianity.” [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]Not only were the Congregations divided by Gnosticism, but enticed by philosophy and paganism also, and there were geographic divisions as well. [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]Pope Gregory [/FONT][FONT="]540 – 12 March 604 [/FONT][/h]It was the Catholics who canonized the bible.
[h=3]The Rich Man and Lazarus[/h]19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’
25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’
27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’
29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’
30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’
31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”
[h=4] [FONT="] Pope Gregory and Paganism[/FONT][FONT="]. [/FONT]
[FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]The attitude of the Catholic Church toward paganism is best summed up by Pope Gregory the Great, in his words to a missionary:[/FONT][FONT="] “You must not interfere with any traditional belief or religious observance that can be harmonized with Christianity.” [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]Not only were the Congregations divided by Gnosticism, but enticed by philosophy and paganism also, and there were geographic divisions as well. [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]Pope Gregory [/FONT][FONT="]540 – 12 March 604 [/FONT][/h]It was the Catholics who canonized the bible.
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Revelation 13:3
One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast.
Revelation 14:9
A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand,In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
What mark or sign do the Catholics make or have?
[FONT="]The mark of the cross is made on the forehead with ash during lent. [/FONT]
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[FONT="]Sign of the cross[/FONT]
[FONT="]The Byzantine sign of the cross made with the right hand.[/FONT]
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[FONT="]The Byzantine sign of the cross is made with thumb and the first two fingers of the right hand joined at the tips. The third and fourth fingers are closed on the palm.[/FONT]
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[FONT="]The Byzantine way of making the sign of the cross pre-dates the Latin style used by the Roman Catholics.[/FONT]
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[FONT="]The sign of the Trinity and Cross are both in the right hand.[/FONT]
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[FONT="]The Hebrew word for sin is "chet," which literally means "missing the mark.”[/FONT]
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[FONT="]The sign of being forgiven.[/FONT]
[FONT="]During the ancient days of Israel, if a person was forgiven in a court, the person would receive a single ash mark on their forehead for everyone to see; that was done in remembrance of Moses’s snake on a pole. [/FONT]
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[FONT="]The Catholic mark is a cross on the fore head made with a trinity sign with the right hand. By the way, the word “cross’ is not biblical; it was added to scriptures.[/FONT]
[FONT="]The Seal of God is the law and the Sabbath Day.[/FONT]
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[FONT="]Numbers 21:8[/FONT][FONT="]’9[/FONT]
[FONT="]The Lord said to Moses, “Make a snake and put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live.” So Moses made a bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, they lived.[/FONT]
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[FONT="]Deuteronomy 21:23[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]you must not leave the body hanging on the pole overnight.[/FONT][FONT="] Be sure to bury it that same day, because anyone who is hung on a pole is under God’s curse. You must not desecrate the land the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance.[/FONT]
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[FONT="]1 Corinthians 1:23. NIV[/FONT]
[FONT="]23 but we preach Christ (crucified / staked out; a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, [/FONT]
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[FONT="]Galatians 3:13[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”[/FONT]
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[FONT="]Acts 5:30[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]The God of our fathers raised up Yahshua, whom you killed and hanged on a tree.[/FONT]
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[FONT="]Acts 10:39[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they killed and hanged on a tree:[/FONT]
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One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast.
Revelation 14:9
A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand,In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
What mark or sign do the Catholics make or have?
[FONT="]The mark of the cross is made on the forehead with ash during lent. [/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="]Sign of the cross[/FONT]
[FONT="]The Byzantine sign of the cross made with the right hand.[/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="]The Byzantine sign of the cross is made with thumb and the first two fingers of the right hand joined at the tips. The third and fourth fingers are closed on the palm.[/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="]The Byzantine way of making the sign of the cross pre-dates the Latin style used by the Roman Catholics.[/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="]The sign of the Trinity and Cross are both in the right hand.[/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="]The Hebrew word for sin is "chet," which literally means "missing the mark.”[/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="]The sign of being forgiven.[/FONT]
[FONT="]During the ancient days of Israel, if a person was forgiven in a court, the person would receive a single ash mark on their forehead for everyone to see; that was done in remembrance of Moses’s snake on a pole. [/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="]The Catholic mark is a cross on the fore head made with a trinity sign with the right hand. By the way, the word “cross’ is not biblical; it was added to scriptures.[/FONT]
[FONT="]The Seal of God is the law and the Sabbath Day.[/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="]Numbers 21:8[/FONT][FONT="]’9[/FONT]
[FONT="]The Lord said to Moses, “Make a snake and put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live.” So Moses made a bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, they lived.[/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="]Deuteronomy 21:23[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]you must not leave the body hanging on the pole overnight.[/FONT][FONT="] Be sure to bury it that same day, because anyone who is hung on a pole is under God’s curse. You must not desecrate the land the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance.[/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="]1 Corinthians 1:23. NIV[/FONT]
[FONT="]23 but we preach Christ (crucified / staked out; a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, [/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="]Galatians 3:13[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”[/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="]Acts 5:30[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]The God of our fathers raised up Yahshua, whom you killed and hanged on a tree.[/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="]Acts 10:39[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they killed and hanged on a tree:[/FONT]
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While you're at it, throw out also the concept of an afterlife in a Paradise.
It too is a concept common to many a pagan culture.
"Frateres! (Brothers!) Hold the line! Stay with me! And if you find yourself alone, lying in green fields, with the sun on your face, do not be troubled; for you are in Elysium - AND YOU ARE ALREADY DEAD!!!" - a bit of humor from the great Roman General Maximus, to his mighty troops right before a major battle against the hugely formidable Germania, in the movie classic "Gladiator."
Rom. 5:6-8.
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Personally, I continue to find it hilarious whenever two or more parties in "a conversation" each conclude that the other is actually the one who can't see the obvious.
Which is what we are each guilty of, here.
:rotfl:
True, all sides can not all be right on this issue you are all over yourself about.
:crackup:
And true, one side may or may not be right.
And not even the fact that more people appear to be agreeing with one another on this than with you: not even this fact would automatically "make it so" *
Still, someone must be.
And it is obvious it is not you.
:chuckle:
Rom. 5:6-8
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* Captian Jean Luc Picard - Captain of the Starship Enterprise on Star Trek: The Next Generation
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Yes he did in the rich man and lazarus parable:
[19] There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
[20] And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
[21] And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
[22] And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
[23] And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
[24] And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
[25] But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
[26] And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
[27] Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
[28] For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
[29] Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
[30] And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
[31] And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. Lk 16:19-31
[19] There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
[20] And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
[21] And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
[22] And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
[23] And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
[24] And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
[25] But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
[26] And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
[27] Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
[28] For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
[29] Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
[30] And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
[31] And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. Lk 16:19-31
No. Instead the Orthodox Jews formed their own concepts after AD200. Before AD 70, Hebrew speaking Jews (which is Jews in majority) adapted the Pharisaic concepts of what hell is.
Religious sects back in Jesus' days;
1. Essenes
Believe in eternal hell, immortal soul and no freewill but predestination
2. Sadducees
Believe in no hell, no soul but complete freewill
3. Pharisees
Believe in eternal hell, immortal soul and partial freewill and partial predestination
Pharisees back then were guardians of the Jewish Scripture out of which the Sadducees only reckoned the first 5 books of Moses. It was also the Pharisees to enforce the Oral Law. Jews in majority were all using the Pharisaic version of the Bible. Even the Hellenistic Jews were using a similar one which is the Septuagint (containing more books than the Pharisaic canon).
Those links are not "the original text of the bible." You lied. There is only one "original" of anything. The "originals" bit the dust shortly after they were "inked."
Why did you lie?
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Either people are commenting without reading what I wrote, or they are as dumb as a stick.
Since you have taken sides with the Serpent, who says; you will not surly die: This must mean that you are Pagan Christians.
Only Pagans believe they do not truly die. Real Christians believe that immortality is an act of God. And that is a defining difference between Pagans and Christians.
Revelation 20:14
Then death and (Hades / Grave) were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
With Death and the Grave being done away with, how is it that there is anyone alive in the lake of fire?
Since you have taken sides with the Serpent, who says; you will not surly die: This must mean that you are Pagan Christians.
Only Pagans believe they do not truly die. Real Christians believe that immortality is an act of God. And that is a defining difference between Pagans and Christians.
Revelation 20:14
Then death and (Hades / Grave) were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
With Death and the Grave being done away with, how is it that there is anyone alive in the lake of fire?
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[FONT="]1 Peter 3:19 commentary[/FONT][FONT="]
[/FONT][FONT="]1 Peter 3:19[/FONT][FONT="]
After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits—
[/FONT][FONT="]In Context[/FONT][FONT="] | [/FONT][FONT="]Full Chapter[/FONT][FONT="] | [/FONT][FONT="]Other Translations[/FONT][FONT="]
18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive (in / by) the Spirit. 19 After being made alive,////
[[/FONT][FONT="]d[/FONT][FONT="]] he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago
[/FONT][FONT="]Ecclesiastes 9:5[/FONT][FONT="]
For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten.
[/FONT][FONT="]Revelation 20:6[/FONT][FONT="]
Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection.
The dead are presently awaiting the first resurrection.
when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.[e] It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, ////
Christ placed great importance on Baptism by having himself Baptized. We are saved by Baptism, not the Resurrection.
22 (and which / who) has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with (angels / messengers), authorities and powers in submission to him.
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(d) [/FONT][FONT="]1 Peter 3:19[/FONT][FONT="] Or but made alive in the spirit, 19 in which also
(e) [/FONT][FONT="]1 Peter 3:21[/FONT][FONT="] Or but an appeal to God for a clear conscience
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[/FONT][FONT="]Acts 8:23[/FONT][FONT="]
For I see that you are full of bitterness and captive to sin.”
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[/FONT][FONT="]2 Corinthians 10:5[/FONT][FONT="]
We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.
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[/FONT][FONT="]Colossians 2:8[/FONT][FONT="]
See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.
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[/FONT][FONT="]2 Timothy 2:26[/FONT][FONT="]
and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.
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[/FONT][FONT="]Psalm 63:9[/FONT][FONT="]
But those that seek my soul, to destroy it, shall go into the lower parts of the earth.
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[/FONT][FONT="]Isaiah 44:23[/FONT][FONT="]
Sing, O ye heavens; for the Lord hath done it: shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every tree therein: for the Lord hath redeemed Jacob, and glorified himself in Israel.
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There is above ground, and there is below ground.
[/FONT][FONT="]Ephesians 4:9[/FONT][FONT="]
(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
[/FONT][FONT="]Ephesians 4:10[/FONT][FONT="]
He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
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9 (What does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions[[/FONT][FONT="]c[/FONT][FONT="]]? 10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.)
Footnote:
(c) [/FONT][FONT="]Ephesians 4:9[/FONT][FONT="] Or the depths of the earth
These brackets ( ) indicate that verses 9 through 10 were added to the text.
[/FONT][FONT="]Luke 23:43[/FONT][FONT="]
Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today(,) you will be with me in paradise.”
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Christ himself was in the grave three days before God resurrected him.[/FONT]
[/FONT][FONT="]1 Peter 3:19[/FONT][FONT="]
After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits—
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18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive (in / by) the Spirit. 19 After being made alive,////
[[/FONT][FONT="]d[/FONT][FONT="]] he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago
[/FONT][FONT="]Ecclesiastes 9:5[/FONT][FONT="]
For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten.
[/FONT][FONT="]Revelation 20:6[/FONT][FONT="]
Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection.
The dead are presently awaiting the first resurrection.
when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.[e] It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, ////
Christ placed great importance on Baptism by having himself Baptized. We are saved by Baptism, not the Resurrection.
22 (and which / who) has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with (angels / messengers), authorities and powers in submission to him.
Footnotes:
(d) [/FONT][FONT="]1 Peter 3:19[/FONT][FONT="] Or but made alive in the spirit, 19 in which also
(e) [/FONT][FONT="]1 Peter 3:21[/FONT][FONT="] Or but an appeal to God for a clear conscience
Captive
[/FONT][FONT="]Acts 8:23[/FONT][FONT="]
For I see that you are full of bitterness and captive to sin.”
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[/FONT][FONT="]2 Corinthians 10:5[/FONT][FONT="]
We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.
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[/FONT][FONT="]Colossians 2:8[/FONT][FONT="]
See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.
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[/FONT][FONT="]2 Timothy 2:26[/FONT][FONT="]
and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.
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[/FONT][FONT="]Psalm 63:9[/FONT][FONT="]
But those that seek my soul, to destroy it, shall go into the lower parts of the earth.
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[/FONT][FONT="]Isaiah 44:23[/FONT][FONT="]
Sing, O ye heavens; for the Lord hath done it: shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every tree therein: for the Lord hath redeemed Jacob, and glorified himself in Israel.
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There is above ground, and there is below ground.
[/FONT][FONT="]Ephesians 4:9[/FONT][FONT="]
(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
[/FONT][FONT="]Ephesians 4:10[/FONT][FONT="]
He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
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9 (What does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions[[/FONT][FONT="]c[/FONT][FONT="]]? 10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.)
Footnote:
(c) [/FONT][FONT="]Ephesians 4:9[/FONT][FONT="] Or the depths of the earth
These brackets ( ) indicate that verses 9 through 10 were added to the text.
[/FONT][FONT="]Luke 23:43[/FONT][FONT="]
Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today(,) you will be with me in paradise.”
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Christ himself was in the grave three days before God resurrected him.[/FONT]