William Barr: Religion is Under Attack

ffreeloader

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No he doesn't. You're willfully lying about him.

Nope. You, as well as Barbarian and a couple of others do nothing but repeatedly post DNC talking points. And the DNC supports abortion, in fact if a politician is not pro abortion they cannot run under the Democrat banner. So, any support for the Democrat party is support for abortion. And, any support for the DNC and Democrats is support for transgenderism, homosexuality, and multiple other depraved moral positions as it is mainly the Democrats who push these things daily. Libertarian policy is also positive on abortion, homosexuality, homosexual marriage, drug usage, and more immoral positions. So, any claim to vote libertarian is also support for these moral evils.

So, you people are either major hypocrites who vote against their conscience all the time for political purposes, or you're lying through your teeth as both you and Barbie support Democrat talking points on a very consistent basis. In fact, you do so every day, multiple times a day. So don't tell me you don't support the things the Democrat and Libertarian parties support. Include the Green party too, because it supports the same morals the Democrats do.
 

The Barbarian

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Barbarian, regarding his opposition to funding abortion services:
I support people when they are right, and oppose them when they are wrong. I can see that such a thing makes no sense at all to you, but there it is. You would have fewer of these moral dilemmas if you would do the same thing. Worth a try?

Then why do you support them when they defeated the bill to defund Planned Parenthood?

Show us that, Jerry. I'd really hope that you are merely confused again, and not lying to us. Let's see what you have.

You really approve of the killing of the unborn, don't you?

Now, you're just trolling, aren't you? Shame on you.
 

Jerry Shugart

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Show us that, Jerry. I'd really hope that you are merely confused again, and not lying to us. Let's see what you have.

Do you deny that you support the lefists, the progressive party, the Democrat party?

You know, the party which defeated the bill to defund Planned Parenthood--the organization which performs hundreds of thousands abortions every year.
 

annabenedetti

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Nope. You, as well as Barbarian and a couple of others do nothing but repeatedly post DNC talking points. And the DNC supports abortion, in fact if a politician is not pro abortion they cannot run under the Democrat banner. So, any support for the Democrat party is support for abortion. And, any support for the DNC and Democrats is support for transgenderism, homosexuality, and multiple other depraved moral positions as it is mainly the Democrats who push these things daily. Libertarian policy is also positive on abortion, homosexuality, homosexual marriage, drug usage, and more immoral positions. So, any claim to vote libertarian is also support for these moral evils.

So, you people are either major hypocrites who vote against their conscience all the time for political purposes, or you're lying through your teeth as both you and Barbie support Democrat talking points on a very consistent basis. In fact, you do so every day, multiple times a day. So don't tell me you don't support the things the Democrat and Libertarian parties support. Include the Green party too, because it supports the same morals the Democrats do.


So many words, so little reality.
 

ffreeloader

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Correction - that's a lot of people who identify as Christian

I'd say it this way: That's a lot of people who profess to be Christians. The Jews professed to love God. They killed Jesus who is God. That forever shows just how unreliable profession of loving/following God really is.
 

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Nope. You, as well as Barbarian and a couple of others do nothing but repeatedly post DNC talking points. And the DNC supports abortion, in fact if a politician is not pro abortion they cannot run under the Democrat banner. So, any support for the Democrat party is support for abortion.

Your ignorance is showing. Dems support the freedom and liberty to CHOOSE - via ones own moral judgement - whether to abort or not. Understanding that a choice involves two options (abort or not to abort), Dems are neither pro nor anti- abortion.
Likely though, your emotional rhetoric will ignore this fact.
 

annabenedetti

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So you don't support the Lefist party, which is the progressive party, which is the the Democrat party?

It's lying to say that Barbarian "despises Christian values." That's my original response, and I'm sticking to it. Barbarian has made it clear he's actively pro-life so lying about him is on you and ffreeloader and I don't think lying is a "Christian value."

I don't buy the lie either that voting Democrat means one "despises Christian values." That tactic's meant to preserve the religious right's Republican voter base.
 

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Who knows...they might have grown up a mooooslim or homosexual. Ok to murder them then?

Better go to all the day cares and schools and murder the kids because they might grow up to be evil. Heck, let's destroy the whole human race since there's the possibility that anyone could turn to the dark side.
 

Lon

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Perspective is everything.
Correct, with one curve and only one curve, statistical analysis just isn't there.

And yes, the marked decline in abortion rates is historic.
Too optimistic. What you are seeing is a 'trend." History is marked for instruction and there just isn't enough data to call anything 'historic' at this moment. History is not written by those participating. It is always written by others and in retrospect. It'd be presumptuous to write your own tombstone epitaph or to call it 'history' already. This is the same.

While people have been seeking a government solution, others have been working to change minds. And that's far more effective.
Agree but part of this is due to the peer pressure, which no longer sees out of wedlock births in an ill-light, and perhaps some of it is government involved as well (welfare, health care, etc.).
 

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Better go to all the day cares and schools and murder the kids because they might grow up to be evil. Heck, let's destroy the whole human race since there's the possibility that anyone could turn to the dark side.

Well, if you were privy regarding the context betwee doser and I you would realize this was sarcasm.
 

ffreeloader

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Your ignorance is showing. Dems support the freedom and liberty to CHOOSE - via ones own moral judgement - whether to abort or not. Understanding that a choice involves two options (abort or not to abort), Dems are neither pro nor anti- abortion.
Likely though, your emotional rhetoric will ignore this fact.

Riiiight..... The forcing of Christians to act against their beliefs by using a corrupt legal system is a real effort at supporting liberty and choice. Here is the essence of the abortion law passed in New York by Democrats.
Here are eight facts about New York’s new abortion law:
– The “fundamental” right to abortion is enshrined in the New York Constitution. “Every individual who becomes pregnant has the fundamental right to choose to carry the pregnancy to term, to give birth to a child, or to have an abortion, pursuant to this article,” the law states.
– The law allows non-physicians to perform abortions. “A health care practitioner licensed, certified, or authorized under title eight of the education law, acting in his or her lawful scope of practice, may perform an abortion,” the law states.
– The law allows abortion through the third trimester, including up to birth. “Third-trimester abortion will be allowed under the new law when a preborn child is diagnosed with a condition that will cause him or her to die at or shortly after birth,” Live Action reported.

– The law removes protections for babies who survive an abortion procedure. “The new law removes protections for babies born alive after an abortion — meaning they could be left to die after birth — by rescinding a portion of New York’s public health law,” Live Action reported. Late-term abortions, until now, were illegal in the state of New York.
– The law prevents pregnant women whose babies are killed in an attack on the mother from seeking justice and could result in infanticide by repealing the requirement for a second physician to be on hand in case an attempted abortion past 20 weeks yields a live infant.
– The law states that an unborn child cannot be a victim of homicide if he dies while in the womb following an attack on the mother. “‘Person,’ when referring to the victim of a homicide, means a human being who has been born and is alive,” the law states.

– Pro-abortion advocates said the law would protect legal abortion even in the event that the U.S. Supreme Court overturns the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision to make abortion legal — a decision that did no go as far as the New York law. “[The law] not only increases access to abortion across the board, including late-term abortions but also goes beyond Roe, which left some limits in place,” Catholic News Service reported.

– The law is to “prevent the enforcement of laws or regulations that are not in furtherance of a legitimate state interest in protecting a woman’s health that burden abortion access.”
I find zero evidence in the US Constitution for the "right" of a woman to commit murder with the help of a doctor. So, abortion cannot be a "right". To say that an unborn child is not a living human being is a major fallacy. It does not begin to live at birth. The fact that it grows in the womb is a testament to it's being alive. And don't try to tell me that it isn't human as there is zero chance that a pregnant woman gives birth to anything other than a human being.

If a woman is in a car wreck and her unborn child dies as the result of reckless driving the person doing the reckless driving is likely to be charged with homicide. But, if a woman decides she doesn't want the child it's OK to murder it and the child will be classified as a fetus. The hypocrisy is incredible. In the case of abortion killing the child is looked at as a "right". In the case of an accident it is looked at as murder, which is exactly what abortion should be called. It is, in reality, first degree murder for it is intentional and done with malice aforethought. https://clarksvillenow.com/local/grand-jury-issues-indictment-in-fatal-crash/

Here is the stands on abortion for every Democrat candidate for president. https://www.vox.com/2019/6/22/18693279/abortion-rights-2020-democrats-hyde-amendment-roe

So, you consider any person's moral judgement to be just fine.... What a lot of baloney that is. It is, in effect, moral anarchy. Here's a Biblical story of what happened when the Isrealites "did what was right" in their own eyes. This is exactly what you're speaking about. Read Judges chapters 17-20. These are the stories of what happens when everyone decides his own moral judgment is sufficient. That there is no need a righteous standard of morality such as the 10 commandments. These stories of murder, rape, dismemberment, and the destruction of the inhabitants of an entire town are the sure result of rejecting God's standard of righteousness.

The "right" to choose to act in an evil way is not a right in any way, shape, or form. To claim there is one is to open the way for the destruction of society and the opening of the door to the subjection of the entire nation to it's enemies for when a society has that lack of moral fiber it also lacks the political will to defend itself against those who would destroy it. It seems you've learned nothing from history. The ruling nations of history fell to moral degeneracy time and time again. Babylon--was destroyed even though it had an impenetrable wall surrounding it. The entire army and all the leadership of Babylon was drunk out of the minds the night a guard was bribed to open the river gates. They destroyed themselves with greed and lust.

Greece fell due to Alexander the Great's drinking habits. His drinking habits were very possibly the cause of him being poisoned. And his poisoning was the result of lust for power and greed.

Medo-Persia fell because of the greed of it's kings who looted the gold supplies thus impoverishing their own people. Then they looked to take wealth from another nations by war and lost not only the war but most of their army. So moral decline did them in too.

Rome fell through moral decline also. Their young men became homosexuals more interested in practicing their perversions than in supporting and defending their own nation. In other words, their immorality caused them to become so stupid they didn't understand the consequences of their own actions. They began to hire barbarians to fight for them rather than fight themselves. What a bunch of losers. For some reason they never understood that a hired army had no reason other than their pay to fight so when the going got tough, the Roman army lost it's will to fight. And the emperors were so corrupt that they devalued their own money so they could spend it on themselves and their perverted sexual appetites. Rome fell because of it's own moral degeneracy.

And look at what caused Britain's decline. They had leadership so weak and enervated that Chamberlain was too stupid to recognize Hitler for what he was. He thought he could just keep on selling the rest of the world out and that Hitler would then leave Britain alone because Chamberlain had given him whatever he had demanded of Chamberlain. How stupid can a man get? I guess it's the same reason people think that if they pay off a blackmailer the problem will go away. It's the total denial of reality. And what caused the British to vote in someone as weak as Chamberlain? Their own moral corruption and unwillingness to stand for what was right. They were just as weak and enervated as Chamberlain.

And you socialists are creating the same scenario in the US. You are pushing it into moral degeneracy and calling that "freedom". Sorry, but hedonism in not liberty. Liberty calls for self-control, self-discipline, and moral behavior. None of which is being taught in the educational system. Instead they are teaching our kids that they need "safe spaces" because someone disagreeing with them makes them so distraught they can't handle it. Even writing Trump's name on a step causes them to go into hysterics. And that is the Democrat run educational system we now have. You will soon have your wish as the US will become another Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, etc... because your desire to control everything will destroy our economy and our liberty. You won't realize what you've done until it's over and then you'll regret it, but no one can tell you guys anything now. Unfortunately those of us who oppose you will have to pay the price right along with you for your stupidity.
 

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Riiiight..... The forcing of Christians to act against their beliefs by using a corrupt legal system is a real effort at supporting liberty and choice. Here is the essence of the abortion law passed in New York by Democrats.

I find zero evidence in the US Constitution for the "right" of a woman to commit murder with the help of a doctor. So, abortion cannot be a "right". To say that an unborn child is not a living human being is a major fallacy. It does not begin to live at birth. The fact that it grows in the womb is a testament to it's being alive. And don't try to tell me that it isn't human as there is zero chance that a pregnant woman gives birth to anything other than a human being.

If a woman is in a car wreck and her unborn child dies as the result of reckless driving the person doing the reckless driving is likely to be charged with homicide. But, if a woman decides she doesn't want the child it's OK to murder it and the child will be classified as a fetus. The hypocrisy is incredible. In the case of abortion killing the child is looked at as a "right". In the case of an accident it is looked at as murder, which is exactly what abortion should be called. It is, in reality, first degree murder for it is intentional and done with malice aforethought. https://clarksvillenow.com/local/grand-jury-issues-indictment-in-fatal-crash/

Here is the stands on abortion for every Democrat candidate for president. https://www.vox.com/2019/6/22/18693279/abortion-rights-2020-democrats-hyde-amendment-roe

So, you consider any person's moral judgement to be just fine.... What a lot of baloney that is. It is, in effect, moral anarchy. Here's a Biblical story of what happened when the Isrealites "did what was right" in their own eyes. This is exactly what you're speaking about. Read Judges chapters 17-20. These are the stories of what happens when everyone decides his own moral judgment is sufficient. That there is no need a righteous standard of morality such as the 10 commandments. These stories of murder, rape, dismemberment, and the destruction of the inhabitants of an entire town are the sure result of rejecting God's standard of righteousness.

The "right" to choose to act in an evil way is not a right in any way, shape, or form. To claim there is one is to open the way for the destruction of society and the opening of the door to the subjection of the entire nation to it's enemies for when a society has that lack of moral fiber it also lacks the political will to defend itself against those who would destroy it. It seems you've learned nothing from history. The ruling nations of history fell to moral degeneracy time and time again. Babylon--was destroyed even though it had an impenetrable wall surrounding it. The entire army and all the leadership of Babylon was drunk out of the minds the night a guard was bribed to open the river gates. They destroyed themselves with greed and lust.

Greece fell due to Alexander the Great's drinking habits. His drinking habits were very possibly the cause of him being poisoned. And his poisoning was the result of lust for power and greed.

Medo-Persia fell because of the greed of it's kings who looted the gold supplies thus impoverishing their own people. Then they looked to take wealth from another nations by war and lost not only the war but most of their army. So moral decline did them in too.

Rome fell through moral decline also. Their young men became homosexuals more interested in practicing their perversions than in supporting and defending their own nation. In other words, their immorality caused them to become so stupid they didn't understand the consequences of their own actions. They began to hire barbarians to fight for them rather than fight themselves. What a bunch of losers. For some reason they never understood that a hired army had no reason other than their pay to fight so when the going got tough, the Roman army lost it's will to fight. And the emperors were so corrupt that they devalued their own money so they could spend it on themselves and their perverted sexual appetites. Rome fell because of it's own moral degeneracy.

And look at what caused Britain's decline. They had leadership so weak and enervated that Chamberlain was too stupid to recognize Hitler for what he was. He thought he could just keep on selling the rest of the world out and that Hitler would then leave Britain alone because Chamberlain had given him whatever he had demanded of Chamberlain. How stupid can a man get? I guess it's the same reason people think that if they pay off a blackmailer the problem will go away. It's the total denial of reality. And what caused the British to vote in someone as weak as Chamberlain? Their own moral corruption and unwillingness to stand for what was right. They were just as weak and enervated as Chamberlain.

And you socialists are creating the same scenario in the US. You are pushing it into moral degeneracy and calling that "freedom". Sorry, but hedonism in not liberty. Liberty calls for self-control, self-discipline, and moral behavior. None of which is being taught in the educational system. Instead they are teaching our kids that they need "safe spaces" because someone disagreeing with them makes them so distraught they can't handle it. Even writing Trump's name on a step causes them to go into hysterics. And that is the Democrat run educational system we now have. You will soon have your wish as the US will become another Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, etc... because your desire to control everything will destroy our economy and our liberty. You won't realize what you've done until it's over and then you'll regret it, but no one can tell you guys anything now. Unfortunately those of us who oppose you will have to pay the price right along with you for your stupidity.

Her body her choice.
 

The Barbarian

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Correct, with one curve and only one curve, statistical analysis just isn't there.

Actually, the data is quite amenable to analysis in many ways.

Too optimistic.

It's reality. So not open to change. But of course the historic trend can change.

History is not written by those participating.

Lon, it's always written by the winners who participated. You want a history of the Albigensians? How about Aztecs? Guess who got to write them.

It'd be presumptuous to write your own tombstone epitaph

Being a veteran, I get to do exactly that. Still working on a one-liner.

And I see it as a good thing that more people prefer to have a child than to abort it. Even if they aren't married.
 
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