Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized! Part 4

[aCultureWarrior]

With 3 weeks until Christmas, I can't think of a better time than to play some Christmas music (as is tradition in the 3 previous WHMBR! threads). I just love hearing and singing songs about Jesus' birth and am saddened when I'm in an environment where only secular songs are played (Jingle Bells, etc.).

Thanks to the vast knowledge of my wonderful wife, she brought to my attention that the song "The 12 Days of Christmas" has Biblical roots:

The 12 Days of Christmas -- The Rest of the Story
When most people hear of "The 12 Days of Christmas", they think of the song. This song had its origins as a teaching tool to instruct young people in the meaning and content of the Christian faith.
Each of the items in the song represents something of religious significance. The hidden meaning of each gift was designed to help young Christians learn their faith. The song goes, "On the first day of Christmas my true love gave to me..."
The "true love" represents God and the "me" who receives these presents is the Christian. Here you go:
The "partridge in a pear tree" was Jesus Christ who died on a tree as a gift from God.
The "two turtle doves" were the Old and New Testaments - another gift from God.
The "three French hens" were faith, hope and love - the three gifts of the Spirit that abide (I Corinthians 13).
The "four calling birds" were the four Gospels which sing the song of salvation through Jesus Christ.
The "five golden rings" were the first five books of the Bible also called the "Books of Moses".
The "six geese a-laying" were the six days of creation.
The "seven swans a swimming" were the "seven gifts of the Holy Spirit". (I Corinthians 12:8-11; Romans 12, Ephesians 4; I Peter 4:10-11).
The "eight maids a milking" were the eight beatitudes.
The "nine ladies dancing" were nine fruits of the Holy Spirit. (Galatians 5:22 & 23)
The "ten lords a-leaping" were the Ten Commandments.
The "eleven pipers piping" were the eleven faithful disciples.
The "twelve drummers drumming" were the twelve points of the Apostles' Creed.
So, the next time you hear "The 12 Days of Christmas", consider how this otherwise non-religious sounding song had its origins in the Christian faith.
http://www.all-creatures.org/stories/12days.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-cjK3f87jI

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Let's see what the pathological liar President Elect is up to:

The "Two Trumps" surface in president-elect's transition

Dec. 3, 2016

NEW YORK — Donald Trump's skeptics hope the presidency will reveal a serious side of the brash businessman. His supporters want him to keep the freewheeling style that rattled Washington.
In true Trump fashion, so far he's doing both.
Trump has soothed some Republican establishment anxieties with many of his early Cabinet picks, including the respected retired Gen. James Mattis to lead the Pentagon and Georgia Rep. Tom Price, an orthopedic surgeon tapped to head the Department of Health and Human Services. He's hinted that he's open to shifting some of his most controversial policies, including his rejection of climate change and support for torture. He's been full of praise for President Barack Obama and largely respectful of Hillary Clinton, his vanquished campaign rival.
But Trump is also refusing to abandon the raucous, stream-of-consciousness rallies and Twitter tirades that defined his presidential campaign. He's continued to level false statements, claiming without evidence that millions of people voted illegally in the election. And he's infused the normally staid Cabinet selection process with reality television drama, inviting cameras into his dinner with Mitt Romney, a leading candidate for secretary of state, and announcing the secretary of defense pick in an arena, seemingly off the cuff.
"He was a very unconventional candidate," House Speaker Paul Ryan said. "He's going to be an unconventional president."
Despite his tell-it-like-it-is reputation, Trump is fueled by a deep need to be liked, according to long-time associates. He often modulates his tone to his setting and frequently tries to curry favor with his audience by telling them what he thinks they want to hear. He often speaks in vague generalities, his policy plans short on details, and that allows supporters to read in what they wish.

Read more: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...nsition/ar-AAl4nnV?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

http://media.salon.com/2015/09/trump_faces_embed6_1.jpg

You've gone from hating Gays to hating President Trump. Who else do you hate?

 

[aCultureWarrior]

You've gone from hating Gays to hating President Trump. Who else do you hate?

I can think of 3 things that I "hate".

1). I hate it when people use the word "gay" to describe the absolutely filthy and disgusting act of homosexuality; it's as if they're trying to clean the disease ridden act up with a nice word.

2). I hate it when the mentally ill don't get the spiritual and much needed psychological treatment that they so desperately need.
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...ized!-Part-4&p=4793370&viewfull=1#post4793370

3). I hate it when my questions go unanswered. Shall we try again?

Originally Posted by Grosnick Marowbe
Do you think if it was the will of God He would be able to do something about the homosexual influences in our society, without YOUR help?

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
1) Are you saying that God is an anarchist and doesn't believe in civil government, the rule of law and man legislating righteous laws?

Quote: Originally posted by Grosnick Marowbe
I mean, look what He did to Sodom and Gomorrah. He didn't need your help there, did He?

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
I was hoping that our country would never get to the point of being like Sodom and Gomorrah, but since people like you do nothing to stop the LGBTQueer agenda, in fact you promote it, it's become the equivalent of S&G or worse.

Quote: Originally posted by Grosnick Marowbe
Laws don't stop immoral behavior.

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
2) Why have laws if they don't deter and contain immoral behavior?

Quote: Originally posted by Grosnick Marowbe
They tried to stop people from drinking alcohol with prohibition and look what happened. That ended up being an "Exercise in Futility."

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
I've never compared having a beer with sodomy, but if that's how you look at the world...

BTW, prohibition worked: http://www.nytimes.com/1989/10/16/opinion/actually-prohibition-was-a-success.html

Quote: Originally posted by Grosnick Marowbe
Have you EVER read the entire Bible, cover to cover, word for word, name by name? Are you a Christian?

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
3) So are we going to discuss verses and passages from the Bible (that you've read cover to cover) and talk about what God expects of civil government and it's leaders?

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
4) Do you think that God (He is the Author of that book that you've read "cover to cover") would approve of that filthy moral degenerate that you're voting for being the President of the United States? If so, provide verses or passages from Holy Scripture showing so.
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...ized!-Part-4&p=4793365&viewfull=1#post4793365

 

[Christian Liberty]

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
The Constitution wasn't written for moral relativists like Ron Paul.



It's that free will thing, which apparently you don't understand (you can't force salvation on anyone).

I don't believe in free will. That said the issue is not about forcing people to believe but rather suppressing the open practice of falsehood.

I'm not sure what that has to do with looney tune Ron Paul though and his secular humanist Libertarian views.

Eh, who cares right? Free will?

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
I must have missed your link with their explanations as to why homosexuality should still be punishable by death.



I'm really not interested in debating someone who believes that the Muslims got it right when it comes to the punishment phase of sexual sins (stoning homosexuals to death or throwing them off of roofs) and that a couple of thousand years of Christianized western civilization somehow got it wrong, as I've discussed this topic ad nauseum in an earlier thread. The gist of the topic lies in the moral laws, ceremonial laws and civil (i.e. judicial) laws of the Old Testament.

https://www.gotquestions.org/ceremonial-law.html


Oh and btw: you can eat shrimp, wear blended clothes and plant different crops side by side, but homosexuality continues to be a serious sin.

https://gotquestions.org/God-hates-shrimp.html

The ceremonial law is done away with, as is the particular equity of the judicial law. However most people put way too many things in particular equity for no real reason, yourself included.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

I don't believe in free will.

You might want to take that up with the brave men and women who are documented on page 1's index that used free will to overcome same sex behavior/attractions and gender identity confusion.

EX Gay Therapy:

Organizations that help men, women and youth overcome same sex attractions

http://www.narth.com/

http://www.therapeuticchoice.com/

http://www.pfox.org/

http://ex-gaytruth.com/

http://www.exodusglobalalliance.org/aboutexoduss4.php

http://www.voices-of-change.org/

 

[aCultureWarrior]

It looks like North Carolina Republican Governor Pat McCrory lost a close race to Democrat Roy Cooper. Before you LGBTQ'ers make plans on invading the restroom of your choice in North Carolina, you should be aware that the conservative NC legislature won't be overturning HB2 anytime soon.

What's the future of HB2 under Governor-elect Roy Cooper?

Dec. 5, 2016

Despite North Carolina incumbent Republican governor Pat McCrory's concession to Democratic attorney general Roy Cooper on Monday, the state's controversial "bathroom bill" is not likely to be repealed anytime soon.

Cooper opposes the bill, but Republican supermajorities in the NC House and Senate ensure any HB2 repeal efforts will be hard to pass. Couple that with the intransigent attitude of Republican lawmakers throughout the spring and summer's controversy--which included losses of thousands of jobs from potential employers, hundreds of millions of dollars from sports like the NCAA Tournament and NBA All-Star Game, and cancelled concerts from popular musicians--and HB2 is likely here to stay, at least initially.

That's partially because the governor's power in North Carolina is less bite, more bark.
"He can pass rules, but there's really no legislative action," said Chris Cooper, head of the political science department at Western Carolina University. "Governors are largely symbolic figures. There's this whole line about how the president has the 'power to persuade.'" That's even more true for governors.
On election night in the midst of Republican wins in the state and nationwide, Speaker of the House Tim Moore said it's clear people support the "common sense" of HB2.

Read more: http://wlos.com/news/local/whats-the-future-of-hb2-under-governor-elect-cooper

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/wnxrEoRj1fw/maxresdefault.jpg

Don't be sad princess, you can still expose yourself to children at 'gay' pride parades and other places where homosexuals and cross dresses fester, you just can't do it in a North Carolina restroom.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

While I've discussed ceremonial, civil and moral laws in the past, this article entitled

Status of the Law in the New Covenant
http://faithfacts.org/blog/law-in-the-new-covenant

explains the major differences between the 3 extremely well.

http://www.faithfacts.org/assets/images/scale justice.jpg

Back later with a synopsis.

 

[MrDante]

2). I hate it when the mentally ill don't get the spiritual and much needed psychological treatment that they so desperately need.

I pray that someday soon you get the help you so obviously need.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior

2). I hate it when the mentally ill don't get the spiritual and much needed psychological treatment that they so desperately need.

I pray that someday soon you get the help you so obviously need.

Tell us about your prayers, i.e. who or what do you pray to and what is the context of those prayers?

 

[MrDante]

You might want to take that up with the brave men and women who are documented on page 1's index that used free will to overcome same sex behavior/attractions and gender identity confusion.

Abuse and coercion is not free will.

EX Gay Therapy:

Organizations that help men, women and youth overcome same sex attractions

http://www.narth.com/

http://www.therapeuticchoice.com/

http://www.pfox.org/

http://ex-gaytruth.com/

http://www.exodusglobalalliance.org/aboutexoduss4.php

http://www.voices-of-change.org/

Wow all these groups and not one has ever published anything about the efficacy of what they are doing?

Nothing published about the safety of their "therapy"

Nothing published about just how many individuals are "treated"

Nothing to support the theoretical basis for their "therapy"

No follow up studies to see how their "successes" are doing.

They can't even spell out what constitutes success

 

[MrDante]

Don't be sad princess, you can still expose yourself to children at 'gay' pride parades and other places where homosexuals and cross dresses fester, you just can't do it in a North Carolina restroom.

Except no one has ever done such a thing in a North Carolina restroom.

 

[MrDante]

Don't be sad princess, you can still expose yourself to children at 'gay' pride parades and other places where homosexuals and cross dresses fester, you just can't do it in a North Carolina restroom.

I'm used to you posting incredibly stupid ideas and claims here, thing no one with two brain cells would believe but this is takes the prize for dumb.

Tell me why a gay man would sneak into a woman's restroom dressed as woman to sexually accost a girl?

:ha:

 

[Arthur Brain]

Abuse and coercion is not free will.



Wow all these groups and not one has ever published anything about the efficacy of what they are doing?

Nothing published about the safety of their "therapy"

Nothing published about just how many individuals are "treated"

Nothing to support the theoretical basis for their "therapy"

No follow up studies to see how their "successes" are doing.

They can't even spell out what constitutes success

aCW doesn't even know what goes on in these "therapy" centers...

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
You might want to take that up with the brave men and women who are documented on page 1's index that used free will to overcome same sex behavior/attractions and gender identity confusion.

Abuse and coercion is not free will.

Since no one is forcing these brave men and women to seek therapy for their unnatural sexual desires and/or gender confusion, it makes me think that they're doing it on their own (drum roll)...

free will.


Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
EX Gay Therapy:

Organizations that help men, women and youth overcome same sex attractions...

Wow all these groups and not one has ever published anything about the efficacy of what they are doing?

How about we start off with NARTH?

http://www.narth.com/

Nothing published about the safety of their "therapy"

I haven't looked into that and feel no need to. That being said:

It's well documented how unsafe the homosexual 'deathstyle' is. Trained professionals (as seen in the NARTH website) help these brave people who want to live life to the fullest with their unnatural desires and/or gender confusion.

Nothing published about just how many individuals are "treated"

Again: I haven't looked into that and feel no need to. That being said:

Do doctors and other medical/psychological professions do that sort of thing?

Nothing to support the theoretical basis for their "therapy"

No follow up studies to see how their "successes" are doing.

They can't even spell out what constitutes success

Once again: I haven't looked into those claims and feel no need to. That being said:

Testimonies of Growth and Change

Here are some helpful websites where individuals who have experienced growth and change in their homosexual feelings tell their stories. Some of these sites or individuals on the sites are expressing religious convictions. Others have participated in psychological counseling. Still others found help from their close, healing relationships with other individuals, or in group therapy, or from experiential experiences. Some have remained steadfast and some will probably experience some setbacks on their personal journey. This is to be expected.

Regardless of their individual, unique stories all are sharing how managing, reducing, and even changing their sexual behaviors and attractions is possible. These are important stories and we need to understand and respect both their motivation and their progress in moving toward their personally chosen life goals.
http://www.narth.com/testimonies-of-change

Wouldn't you agree that hearing it from people who have actually changed is better than something written on paper?

Oh, when you respond to further posts about SOCE (sexual orientation change efforts) would you and Art Brain type your posts in green, as the color matches your envy of these brave people.


BTW: Tell us about your prayers, i.e. who or what do you pray to and what is the context of those prayers?

Quote: Originally posted by MrDante

I pray that someday soon you get the help you so obviously need.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Regarding NC's 'bathroom bill', which won't be overturned anytime soon even though Republican Governor Pat McCrory lost his re-election bid.

Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior

Don't be sad princess, you can still expose yourself to children at 'gay' pride parades and other places where homosexuals and cross dresses fester, you just can't do it in a North Carolina restroom.

Except no one has ever done such a thing in a North Carolina restroom.

I wasn't aware that the restrooms, fitting rooms and locker rooms in the State of North Carolina were immune to perverts.

When is 90% not Substantially*ALL?
https://outofmypantiesnow.wordpress.com/2013/10/28/when-is-90-not-substantially-all/

Aside from the huge physical threat that these mentally ill people pose against women and girls, you're not acknowledging that women and girls have a right to privacy in these places.

You're also failing to acknowledge that these cross dressers/genital mutilators and men who may in their own mind 'think' that they are of the opposite gender aren't being helped with their mental illness by allowing them to use the restroom/fitting room/locker room of their choice, they're being given a license by the state to continue to live their morally depraved lifestyle instead of getting the spiritual and psychological help that they so desperately need.

I'm used to you posting incredibly stupid ideas and claims here, thing no one with two brain cells would believe but this is takes the prize for dumb.

Tell me why a gay man would sneak into a woman's restroom dressed as woman to sexually accost a girl?

Who knows what goes through the minds of these very sick degenerates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzwMJAFWLtQ

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Since we were talking about SOCE, here's s short video by some very brave men and women who, even though they are HATED by the LGBTQ movement, come forward to help others.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUXhKbHMGJg

http://suchweresomeofyou.org/
http://www.narth.com/testimonies-of-change

 

[MrDante]

aCW doesn't even know what goes on in these "therapy" centers...

Oh he does, he just thinks that because the abuse that does go on there is directed at gays and lesbians then it is OK.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Originally Posted by Arthur Brain
aCW doesn't even know what goes on in these "therapy" centers...

Oh he does, he just thinks that because the abuse that does go on there is directed at gays and lesbians then it is OK.

Based on my research, a lot of happy well adjusted people come out of them. But then not everyone succeeds in overcoming alcohol abuse, drug abuse, and other desires and behaviors that afflict human beings, so why would SOCE be any different?

Perhaps if you two and the LGBTQueer movement supported these brave souls instead of belittling them, the success rate would be even higher?

 

[MrDante]

Since no one is forcing these brave men and women to seek therapy for their unnatural sexual desires and/or gender confusion, it makes me think that they're doing it on their own (drum roll)...

free will.

Yet ex-gay ministries primarily target teens and children for their "therapy"

Organizations that help men, women and youth overcome same sex attractions...

What does that mean in real world terms?

How about we start off with NARTH?

http://www.narth.com/

yeah...they have a website. Good for them.
But they have never published anything about the efficacy so called conversion therapy

I haven't looked into that and feel no need to.

Of course you don't

It's well documented how unsafe the homosexual 'deathstyle' is.

You mean faked data and right wing propaganda.

Your use of the phrase "deathstyle" is an indication that you are fully aware that you are propagating false witness

Trained professionals

Trained as what?

(as seen in the NARTH website) help these brave people who want to live life to the fullest with their unnatural desires and/or gender confusion.

With no followup how do you know?

Again: I haven't looked into that and feel no need to.

Of course you don't

Do doctors and other medical/psychological professions do that sort of thing?

Real counselors and therapist and mental health organizations keep well documented files.

Of course real counselors and therapist and mental health organizations don't want to hide just how many people they work with.

Once again: I haven't looked into those claims and feel no need to.

Why don't you?

Testimonies of Growth and Change

[/quote] as I said
Nothing to support the theoretical basis for their "therapy"

No follow up studies to see how their "successes" are doing.

They can't even spell out what constitutes success

Wouldn't you agree that hearing it from people who have actually changed is better than something written on paper?

This was certainly a worthwhile read. Ex-Leaders of the Gay Conversion Therapy Movement Apologize

Oh, when you respond to further posts about SOCE (sexual orientation change efforts) would you and Art Brain type your posts in green, as the color matches your envy of these brave people.

I'll stick with black and white facts

BTW: Tell us about your prayers, i.e. who or what do you pray to and what is the context of those prayers?

Quote: Originally posted by MrDante

I pray that someday soon you get the help you so obviously need.

Prayer really is a foreign concept to you isn't it

 

[MrDante]

I wasn't aware that the restrooms, fitting rooms and locker rooms in the State of North Carolina were immune to perverts.

I'm sure you would be welcome to use any public restroom in North Carolina.