Arthur Brain
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(What did I tell you? The drama queen is on another rant).
No ranting necessary, merely pointing out the facts.
(What did I tell you? The drama queen is on another rant).
Come on Art, GFR7/Scot has a license to play dumb in this thread, it hasn't been extended to you.
The neo Nazi movement is closely tied in together. Just because one talks about the IKA doesn't mean that the TYN is any different. If you'd paid attention to the posts about the modern day Nazi movement, you would have known that.
No ranting necessary, merely pointing out the facts.
There may very well be similarities between the two but that wasn't the point. If you can't keep track of what's actually being referenced then that's nobody else's fault.
I'm heading out for awhile, but if you would like to refute what historians like Shirer, Knickerbocker, Lenz and numerous others used in The Pink Swastika said about Hitler and his SS' homosexuality, I would be willing to listen (and Art, an opinionated article from The Southern Poverty Law Center nor a testimony about living conditions in Nazi prison camps from a homosexual doesn't count as "legitimate historians").
The point is (as Lively and Abrams show in their book) that while there is a obvious HATRED of those who engage in homosexual behavior by the modern day neo Nazi movement (be it the ones in the US or Europe) as there was by their Nazi Germany predecessors, many of those who are part of the movememt are sexual deviants themselves.
Remember that there is no room for the Christian doctrine of repentance and salvation in their ranks, like their allies in the LGBTQueer movement, there is only death.
Lively's crime? In his book, "The Pink Swastika," Lively exposes a secret homosexual activists don't want you to know about Nazi Germany: that although the Nazis did persecute homosexuals, the homosexuals the Nazis persecuted were almost exclusively the effeminate members of the gay community in Germany, and that much of the mistreatment was administered by masculine homosexuals who despised effeminacy in all its forms.
The "Butch" homosexual guards and capos were capable of unrestrained cruelty, sadism and savagery. A guard at Auschwitz, for instance, strangled, crushed and gnawed to death as many as 100 boys and young men a day while raping them at his leisure.
aCW, it is odd that you will not accept the Jewish Holocaust museum or society material on the persecution of homosexuals under Nazi Germany, nor any of the traditional history books (such as Grau's Hidden Holocaust: Gay and Lesbian Persecution in Germany, 1933-45, 1995, or Plant's The Pink Triangle: The Nazi War Against Homosexuals, 2011); not to mention the myriad of history books and commentary written and published post WW II to the present. Nor will you accept the writings of Patheos' Throckmorton.
But we are to accept Lively as Gospel. :think:
The problem with Lively's thesis:
According to Bryan Fischer:
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/fischer/080515
So Lively is separating homosexuals into two divergent and warring camps; one is pro-male and pro-machismo; the other effeminate - and this has been confirmed by Showalter's Sexual Anarchy: Gender and Culture at the Fin de Siècle (1992).
But if you understand this in it's historical context, this would only prove that the gays of today have nothing in common with those of Nazism:
The latter are not really gay nor are they homosexual as we understand the term.
Not until you address the real meaning of my post. :AMR1:Yet you accepted Lively and Abrams research only a few pages ago. (Sooooo many personalities, so little memory).
Regarding the books that you mentioned: The Pink Swastika isn't denying that homosexuals were brutally murdered, so what's your point?
In regards to Warren Throckmorton: Unfortunately ole Warren has joined the sodomite camp on numerous issues (refer to the table of contents, Part 1 I believe, showing information on how Throckmorton has sold out God). Besides, the last time I checked Warren Throckmorton isn't considered a historian (outside of the LGBTQueer camp that is)
You're confusing thesis (a proposition stated or put forward for consideration) with facts (something known to exist or to have happened).
I don't have any first hand experience with this, but the way I understand it GFR7/Scot, is that if a person engages in sex with a person of the same gender, then that would mean that they're engaging in a homosexual act.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
No ranting necessary, merely pointing out the facts.
None of these men are historiansI'm heading out for awhile, but if you would like to refute what historians like Shirer, Knickerbocker, Lenz and numerous others used in The Pink Swastika said about Hitler and his SS' homosexuality
Not until you address the real meaning of my post.
But if you understand this in it's historical context, this would only prove that the gays of today have nothing in common with those of Nazism
Gaystapo in action, part 1 | |
Gaystapo in action, part 2 | |
And according to Lively, there are TWO camps of homosexuals. :AMR1: And if I conceded that Hitler was abnormal, that does not in any wise mean that I adhere to Lively's thesis wholly (and it is a thesis because there are counterfactual and alternative theorie which have been in place longer and have yet to be satisfactorily refuted.).
This is very hard for me to write. It forces me to squarely confront my past actions and to accept responsibility for the damage I have had a part in causing. I sincerely apologize for my involvement in and my founding of the AIDS activist organization, ACT-UP D.C.. I have helped to create a truly fascist organization...The average Gay man or woman could not immediately relate to our subversive tactics, drawn largely from the voluminous Mein Kampf, which some of us studied as a working model (Washington Blade, January, 1992)
None of these men are historians
LaBarbera also points out that Throckmorton has the seal of approval from the left-wing hate organization "Southern Poverty Law Center":
But, aCW, don't you think those blood-lust Nazis and Brown Shirts and Storm Troopers who raped and pillaged and tortured, and whose victims sang in the fire, are so proud to see where their movement has all wound up?
Welcome back to the thread Tracy. Did I mention that I've really missed your profound posts?
Speaking gay historian Warren Throckmorton:
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Warren Throckmorton: heartthrob of the ultra leftwing hate group The Southern Poverty Law Center, and LGBTQueer "affirming".
I was curious about the post that I referenced about ole Warren.
Here is part of it from a conversation I had with homosexualist Daedalean's_Sun:
Peter LaBarbera of Americans For Truth About Homosexuality shows that your "source", Warren Throckmorton of Grove City College (who at one time was a good Christian conservative) has become an ally of the homosexual movement:
LifeSite: Grove City College Psychologist Warren Throckmorton Blasted for Backpedaling on Homosexuality
Cites ‘gay’-affirming professor’s “about face”; Throckmorton reneges on answering questions posed by pro-family news service
"March 19, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) — A psychologist teaching at the conservative-Evangelical Grove City College has been making waves by endorsing same-sex civil union legislation, and claiming that homosexuals can live “normal, natural and healthy” lives.
In a recent interview with the Evangelical news service OneNewsNow (ONN), Dr. Warren Throckmorton reportedly said that “he opposes same-sex marriage but believes the Equal Protection Clause permits homosexual civil unions,” according to the news agency.
“Throckmorton says he personally holds a ‘traditional view of homosexuality and sexual ethics.’ However, when asked whether he believes homosexuality is ‘normal, natural and healthy,’ he said he could not answer that with a simple ‘yes’ or ‘no’ response,” ONN reported...
Throckmorton’s defection from the ex-gay movement has been met with condemnation by Evangelicals. “Though he works for an evangelical institution, Pennsylvania-based Grove City College, which advertises itself on faith-based websites as ‘authentically Christian,’ Warren promotes a new, morally neutral paradigm on homosexuality that affirms people’s ‘Sexual Identity’ according to their feelings (and comfort level with same),”...
Read more:
http://americansfortruth.com/2010/0...on-blasted-for-backpedaling-on-homosexuality/
LaBarbera also points out that Throckmorton has the seal of approval from the left-wing hate organization "Southern Poverty Law Center":
LaBarbera Asks Grove City College Professor Warren Throckmorton to Apologize for Pro-Homosexual Advocacy
"This morning I sent the following public letter to Grove City College professor and homosexuality-affirming blogger Warren Throckmorton, as well as dozens of pro-family leaders. Note that Throckmorton, a frequent critic of conservative evangelical leaders, has been singled out for praise by the leftist Southern Poverty Law Center — the same SPLC that outrageously labeled AFTAH, Family Research Council, American Family Association and other mainstream pro-family organizations as “hate groups.”...
As mentioned many times before: One of the many common denominators between the Nazi's and the modern day LGBTQueer movement is their extreme HATRED of Judeo-Christian doctrine.
I have to agree with Tracer on this, aCW. I went to a very prestigious high school and then onto several good Universities and it was always understood that Nazism entailed a hatred of modernism and a return to Christian and traditional folk values. They hated the modern liberal Berlin crowd and the progressive Jews. They extolled Christianity. You have it all backwards, love.As mentioned many times before: One of the many common denominators between the Nazi's and the modern day LGBTQueer movement is their extreme HATRED of Judeo-Christian doctrine.
except that Christianity was the state religion of Nazi Germany and the Nazi party as a whole embraced Christian teachings and doctrines. Ref
I have to agree with Tracer on this, aCW. I went to a very prestigious high school and then onto several good Universities and it was always understood that Nazism entailed a hatred of modernism and a return to Christian and traditional folk values. They hated the modern liberal Berlin crowd and the progressive Jews. They extolled Christianity. You have it all backwards, love.
...we will wash off the Christian veneer... | |