Why Christ Didn't Stay Dead

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None of the Old Testament's sacrifices were restored to life, and in point of fact, quite a few of them were incinerated. Pieces and parts of some were even set aside to be eaten as sustenance for the Levitical priests and their families.

So, if the OT's sacrifices could obtain the mercy of God without bringing them back to life, why then wouldn't a dead Jesus be just as effective as a living Jesus?

The problem with previous stay-dead modes of sacrifice is that they couldn't expunge the people's personnel files; and those files are on track to be reviewed at the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15 where people will be thoroughly vetted for citizenship in the new cosmos depicted in the 21st chapter of Revelation.

If the records show that certain people are essentially undesirable --i.e. capable of terrible things, especially dishonesty --then they will be denied immigration to the new heavens, the new earth, and the holy city.

Christ's crucified body was restored to life in order to make it possible for God to expunge people's records.

Rom 4:25 . . He was handed over for our transgressions, and was raised for our justification.

The koiné Greek word for "justification" is dikaioo (dik-ah-yo'-o) which essentially means to regard as innocent.

In other words; Christ's crucifixion was sufficient to obtain forgiveness for people's sins; but his crucifixion alone wasn't sufficient to make it possible for people to obtain an acquittal.

An acquittal can be defined as exoneration; viz: an adjudication of innocence, which is normally granted when there is insufficient evidence to convict. In other words: by means of Christ's resurrection, God was able to cook the books so that it appears people never did anything bad. On the surface; this looks very unethical, but from God's perspective it's all on the up and up.

This is a serious issue under the terms and conditions of the covenant that Yhvh's people agreed upon with God as per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. The covenant's sacrifices obtained forgiveness for the people, but the sacrifices did not, and could not, obtain them exoneration. No, a record of their disobedience remained on the books, hanging over their heads like a sword of Damocles. Out ahead, at the Great White Throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15, those books will be opened for review.

Q: Don't Catholics obtain exoneration when they go to confession?

A: The scope of the Roman church's reconciliatory process is somewhat limited. It's primarily designed for absolution (1John 1:9) i.e. while it forgives a sinner's debt to God's law, and cleanses what is sometimes called the stain of sin, it does nothing to expunge the sinner's record.

Justification, on the other hand, as per the koiné Greek word dikaioo, completely deletes the offender's criminal history; i.e. dikaioo wipes their records so clean and efficiently that there is nothing left that can in any way be used to prove that the sinner has ever been anything less than 100% innocent.

Now, the advantage of the kind of justification I'm talking about is that sinners need obtain it only once because from thence, God stops keeping records on them.

2Cor 5:19 . .God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting their trespasses against them

The koiné Greek word translated "counting" is logizomai (log-id'-zom-ahee) which means to take an inventory.

Rom 4:8 . . Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord does not record.

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He didn't cook the books

Maybe God didn't cook the books for you, but He certainly did for me.

In a nutshell, according to Rom 4:25, Christ's resurrection made it possible for God to regard me innocent of any and all wrongdoing so that I will never be subpoenaed to face justice at the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20;11-15.

Rom 8:33 . . Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies.

The Greek word for "justifies" is dikaioo (dik-ah-yo'-o) which essentially means to regard as innocent. In other words: Rom 4:25 and Rom 8:33 are saying that the reason I won't be subpoenaed to face justice at the great white throne event is because there is no longer anything on the books for which I must answer; nor will there ever again be anything on the books for which I must answer.

2Cor 5:19 . .God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting their trespasses against them

The koiné Greek word translated "counting" is logizomai (log-id'-zom-ahee) which means to take an inventory.

As to David :

Though he was forgiven for the capital crimes of adultery and premeditated murder, David wasn't exonerated of those crimes until Christ was crucified and risen from the dead. (Rom 3:23-26).

The lesson is: Forgiveness alone as per 1John 1:9 isn't enough to get people into heaven because God would still be holding their records against them, like a pardoned felon who gets turned down for a job because of his criminal record. If people fail to get their records expunged they will be hauled before the great white throne from whence no one goes to heaven-- all face a mode of retribution akin to a foundry worker falling into a kettle of molten iron.

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Maybe God didn't cook the books for you, but He certainly did for me.

In a nutshell, according to Rom 4:25, Christ's resurrection made it possible for God to regard me innocent of any and all wrongdoing so that I will never be subpoenaed to face justice at the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20;11-15.

Rom 8:33 . . Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies.

The Greek word for "justifies" is dikaioo (dik-ah-yo'-o) which essentially means to regard as innocent. In other words: Rom 4:25 and Rom 8:33 are saying that the reason I won't be subpoenaed to face justice at the great white throne event is because there is no longer anything on the books for which I must answer; nor will there ever again be anything on the books for which I must answer.

2Cor 5:19 . .God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting their trespasses against them

The koiné Greek word translated "counting" is logizomai (log-id'-zom-ahee) which means to take an inventory.

As to David :

Though he was forgiven for the capital crimes of adultery and premeditated murder, David wasn't exonerated of those crimes until Christ was crucified and risen from the dead. (Rom 3:23-26).

The lesson is: Forgiveness alone as per 1John 1:9 isn't enough to get people into heaven because God would still be holding their records against them, like a pardoned felon who gets turned down for a job because of his criminal record. If people fail to get their records expunged they will be hauled before the great white throne from whence no one goes to heaven-- all face a mode of retribution akin to a foundry worker falling into a kettle of molten iron.

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Maybe God didn't cook the books for you, but He certainly did for me.

In a nutshell, according to Rom 4:25, Christ's resurrection made it possible for God to regard me innocent of any and all wrongdoing so that I will never be subpoenaed to face justice at the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20;11-15.

Rom 8:33 . . Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies.

The Greek word for "justifies" is dikaioo (dik-ah-yo'-o) which essentially means to regard as innocent. In other words: Rom 4:25 and Rom 8:33 are saying that the reason I won't be subpoenaed to face justice at the great white throne event is because there is no longer anything on the books for which I must answer; nor will there ever again be anything on the books for which I must answer.

2Cor 5:19 . .God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting their trespasses against them

The koiné Greek word translated "counting" is logizomai (log-id'-zom-ahee) which means to take an inventory.

As to David :

Though he was forgiven for the capital crimes of adultery and premeditated murder, David wasn't exonerated of those crimes until Christ was crucified and risen from the dead. (Rom 3:23-26).

The lesson is: Forgiveness alone as per 1John 1:9 isn't enough to get people into heaven because God would still be holding their records against them, like a pardoned felon who gets turned down for a job because of his criminal record. If people fail to get their records expunged they will be hauled before the great white throne from whence no one goes to heaven-- all face a mode of retribution akin to a foundry worker falling into a kettle of molten iron.

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Re: Why Christ Didn't Stay Dead

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When Christ passed away on the cross, he was essentially the embodiment of every sin that the whole world ever committed in the past, every sin the whole world is now committing, and every sin that the whole world will ever commit in the future; which, in order to be true, has to include the sins of people not yet born. (Isa 53:1-6, John 1:29, 1John 2:2)

Now; here's my question. Did Jesus come back from death with those sins, i.e. how many sins of the whole world's sins did he retain unpunished?

Well; I think that both sides of the aisle can readily agree that Jesus came back from death with zero of the world's past, present, and future sins unpunished; yes? Yes.

Now, supposing I posit that God has devised an ingenious way to regard me as His son Jesus, i.e. when His son Jesus passed away on the cross, I too passed away. (Rom 6:3)

Were that so, then when His son Jesus rose from the dead, I too rose from the dead (Col 2:12). And if he rose from the dead with zero sins unpunished, then I too rose from the dead with zero sins unpunished; which would mean, of course, that I would retain zero sins requiring treatment in a cleansing fire; viz: a Purgatory.

If you can appreciate how unreasonable and unnecessary it would be to subject God's son Jesus to a cleansing fire, then you can easily appreciate how unreasonable and unnecessary it would be to subject me to a cleansing fire.

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The trick is: I need not produce 100% sinless perfection in thought, word, and deed in order to qualify for heaven. No; I don't, not when God reckons me 100% innocent by means of the acquittal that's available via Christ's resurrection.

The innocence that I've been talking about isn't a personal innocence, no, it's an accounted innocence, i.e. an innocence on the books which is where it matters the most.

Rev 20:11-12 . . I saw a large white throne and the one who was sitting on it. The earth and the sky fled from His presence and there was no place for them. I saw the dead, the great and the lowly, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. The dead were judged according to their deeds, by what was written in the scrolls.

Now, seeing as how every bad thing I ever did in life and/or ever will do is stricken from the record by means of Christ's resurrection; then there will be nothing left on those scrolls to use as evidence to prove beyond a sensible doubt that I have ever been anything less than 100% perfect in thought, word, and deed.

Same with the passage below:

Rev 21:27 . . Nothing unclean will enter the holy city Jerusalem, nor anyone who does abominable things or tells lies.

Seeing as how every bad thing I ever did and/or ever will do in life is stricken from the record by means of Christ's resurrection; then there is nothing left to use as evidence to prove beyond a sensible doubt that I have ever been anything less than 100% clean and/or 100% honest in thought, word, and deed.

God's accounting methods may seem a bit strange, perhaps even a bit fraudulent, and no doubt would never hold up in a court of law; but I really don't care about that just so long as it works for Him.

Rom 8:33 . .Who will bring a charge against God’s chosen ones? It is God who acquits us.

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beloved57

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Why Christ Didn't Stay Dead

Because His death satisfied completely Gods law ad justice against all the sins of the Elect World charged to Him, So Justice being satisfied sins out away death loses its right to reign, for death is the wages of sin !
 
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