ECT Who is the man-child of Rev.12?

[Cross Reference]

No.

The only manchild was Jesus Christ.

and she bought forth son male (early greek)

The Bible has insertions which are descriptions which are not un the immediate chronology--

Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

That not Mary.

Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon,xxxxx and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Yep!

Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

LA

Immediately caught up was he which is unlike Jesus who was on the Earth for 3 1/2 yrs and then was killed. It should be easy to see they aren't the same scenarios.

 

[Cross Reference]

Jesus is not apart from the remnant.

<yawn> Learn how to quote, please.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Great verses but you're using them out of context.
They have nothing to do with the present church, but with a restored Israel in Zion/Jerusalem.

Sorry to break this to you but Dispensationism has been nuked.:shocked:

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

<yawn> Learn how to quote, please.

Go back to sleep.

 

[steko]

Sorry to break this to you but Dispensationism has been nuked.:shocked:

Bible scriptures are not nuked by allowing them to speak plainly, in context. They are nuked by importing and imposing meaning on them from an outside source, such as replacement thieves and allegorists do.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Do you even know what the difference is between the judgment of God and tribulation and why?

God judges no man, he has committed all judgement to the Son.

 

[Danoh]

God judges no man, he has committed all judgement to the Son.

Oy vay, lol

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Bible scriptures are not nuked by allowing them to speak plainly, in context. They are nuked by importing and imposing meaning on them from an outside source, such as replacement thieves and allegorists do.

Sorry I don't know how to use the here feature.

I posted it today in another thread here in ECT, you'll see it or you can ask one of yer bedfellows.

 

[Lazy afternoon]

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That not Mary.




Yep!




Immediately caught up was he which is unlike Jesus who was on the Earth for 3 1/2 yrs and then was killed. It should be easy to see they aren't the same scenarios.

Any idea that the man child is speaking of Christians is nuked by the same reasoning.

Pay attention.

The woman is not Mary.

She is Heavenly Zion.

LA

 

[Lazy afternoon]

I have, and the woman is the mother of the man child Christ Jesus, and the mother of those in Christ.

The woman is not Mary, she is the New Jerusalem:

(Gal 4:26) But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.

True.

Isa 66:7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
Isa 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

Great verses but you're using them out of context.
They have nothing to do with the present church, but with a restored Israel in Zion/Jerusalem.

No.

The true Church are members of the Heavenly Zion who experience tribulation to enter the Kingdom of God.

The Israel of God is the one nation of God for whom Christ died.

There is none other.

Pre-trib rapture is a falsehood, deceiving the churches into thinking they can escape tribulation of the end times.

Tribulation is NOT wrath.

2Th 1:4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
2Th 1:5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
2Th 1:6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

LA

 

[Cross Reference]

Any idea that the man child is speaking of Christians is nuked by the same reasoning.

Pay attention.

The woman is not Mary.

She is Heavenly Zion.

LA

You pay attention!!!!

The woman is the visible church!!! The man-child is the multi-membered BODY OF CHRIST GONE IGNORED WITHIN THE VISIBLE CHURCH!!! IT IS THE VERY ELECT of the elect who are in UNION with God. THEY are the Sons of God all creation agonizes for! (Romans 8:22 KJV)

These are the remnant:

". . . . . . . . What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?". . . . . And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."Revelation 7:13-14 (KJV) IOW: Christians with dirty white robes now made clean. The 5 foolish virgins of Matthew 25!

Now go back and read, for the first time and for understanding, Revelations chapter 12 AND 13!

 

[tetelestai]

The man-child is the multi-membered BODY OF CHRIST GONE IGNORED WITHIN THE VISIBLE CHURCH!!! IT IS THE VERY ELECT of the elect who are in UNION with God.

Nope, you're wrong.

(Psalm 2:9) Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

 

[Cross Reference]

Nope, you're wrong.

(Psalm 2:9) Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Brilliant!! <screwed up>

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

You pay attention!!!!

The woman is the visible church!!!

There is no visible church.

Each person is the temple of God.