Who is Bob Enyart?
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1Way
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I'd say he's a great bible theologian/teacher.
And he is also great at; science, creationism, apologetics, philosophy, social activism, public speaking, TV and radio talk show hosting, world affairs, political satyr, live and written debates, authoring insightful books and teaching materials, doing bible seminars, discerning and expounding deep spiritual and philosophical issues, resolving complex and conflicting systems of belief, opposing evil, encouraging the saints, just to name a few.
And he is also great at; science, creationism, apologetics, philosophy, social activism, public speaking, TV and radio talk show hosting, world affairs, political satyr, live and written debates, authoring insightful books and teaching materials, doing bible seminars, discerning and expounding deep spiritual and philosophical issues, resolving complex and conflicting systems of belief, opposing evil, encouraging the saints, just to name a few.
frugalmom
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Why I no longer support Bob
Why I no longer support Bob
I know you have seen it now SOTK - but if anyone else wants to know, I gave my reason in this thread: Cruel Parenting
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15478&perpage=15&pagenumber=1
I cannot, and will not, support anyone who endorses and sells such thing. I have the link where you can go read the first chapter of the book "To Train Up a Child" by Michael and Debi Perl, at the above link. From reviews I have been reading by people who have read the whole book, and from me reading chapter 1, I found out these lunatics advocate not only using a switch on babies (4month plus), but advocate things like sitting on a child if you need to in order to spank it, torturing a toddler who is having a tantrum until his screams become a whining, submissive whimper, and tripping a non swimming toddler into a deep pool. These people are obviously a couple of sadistic nuts who shouldn't be around ANY children.
Bob sells that book at his KGOV store coupled with a casette by him titled "tyrant dad". That's why I won't support him any longer. I assume he has read the book and endorses it.
There is NEVER a reason to strike a baby. That makes me really furious!!! That and the other things I have read and heard about this book are nothing short of abuse. It's so sad for those poor babies whose parents listen to this garbage advice. I wonder how many people have ordered that book thinking it must be OK if Bob has it.
As a former Bob Enyart fan since 1997, I feel like :vomit:
Why I no longer support Bob
I know you have seen it now SOTK - but if anyone else wants to know, I gave my reason in this thread: Cruel Parenting
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15478&perpage=15&pagenumber=1
I cannot, and will not, support anyone who endorses and sells such thing. I have the link where you can go read the first chapter of the book "To Train Up a Child" by Michael and Debi Perl, at the above link. From reviews I have been reading by people who have read the whole book, and from me reading chapter 1, I found out these lunatics advocate not only using a switch on babies (4month plus), but advocate things like sitting on a child if you need to in order to spank it, torturing a toddler who is having a tantrum until his screams become a whining, submissive whimper, and tripping a non swimming toddler into a deep pool. These people are obviously a couple of sadistic nuts who shouldn't be around ANY children.
Bob sells that book at his KGOV store coupled with a casette by him titled "tyrant dad". That's why I won't support him any longer. I assume he has read the book and endorses it.
There is NEVER a reason to strike a baby. That makes me really furious!!! That and the other things I have read and heard about this book are nothing short of abuse. It's so sad for those poor babies whose parents listen to this garbage advice. I wonder how many people have ordered that book thinking it must be OK if Bob has it.
As a former Bob Enyart fan since 1997, I feel like :vomit:
frugalmom
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Originally posted by Lucky
They often mysteriously disappear. :noid:
It is not my intention to try to get banned. I really like TOL, and hope I will continue to be welcome here. I just can't support Bob anymore. If I find out that he somehow doesn't know the contents of the book, and he removes and denounces it, I will apologize to him for the false assumption.
Re: Why I no longer support Bob
Re: Why I no longer support Bob
Ever think to ask him about it?
I guarantee you that he would happily devote an entire show on the issue. He has never been afraid of honest criticism and openly invites it on his show. He would even happily discuss in detail the "child abuse" which Zakath refers to in the above post.
Jhn 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
Resting in Him,
Clete
Re: Why I no longer support Bob
Ever think to ask him about it?
I guarantee you that he would happily devote an entire show on the issue. He has never been afraid of honest criticism and openly invites it on his show. He would even happily discuss in detail the "child abuse" which Zakath refers to in the above post.
Jhn 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
Resting in Him,
Clete
This coming from the guy who made this book of Enyart's such a hit. :chuckle:
Oh please. Material published on newsgroups is fair game. Have you complained about how much money Knight made off your Battle Royale posts? Banner ads pay web site owners according to how much traffic their site gets. The more interesting your Battel Royale posts were, Zakath, the more traffic TOL got. The more traffic TOL got, the more money Knight made.
Zakath
Resident Atheist
Not for publishing by third parties. Is this why Enyart has his, shall we say "conveniently libertarian", stand on copyrights? :think:
No, because I gave Knight written consent to use my material on the site.
I did not anticipate his "giving" Enyart the rights to use material that I published on TOL to make money.
My question still remains unanswered; how much did Enyart make off the debate?
There is a conspicuous silence on this point and your attempt to redirect the discussion did not go unnoticed.
:zakath: = :dunce:
Zakath if you have to lie to make a point.... you don't have a very good point.
Zakath if you have to lie to make a point.... you don't have a very good point.
Not to mention.... we made a special agreement prior to BR VII.
Zakath's memory must be failing.
Maybe that is due to his "sickness". :chuckle:
Zakath
Resident Atheist
Knight,
You chide me for telling an untruth and then cite something posted by Jefferson as an example?
I'm missing your point here...
If you honestly think that is the case, then you don't know me as well as you believe.
You chide me for telling an untruth and then cite something posted by Jefferson as an example?
I'm missing your point here...
I had to delete all my PMs for space considerations, perhaps you'd be good enough to remind me what about this "special agreement" was different from a standard agreement where the posters turn over all rights to the posted material to the board?Not to mention.... we made a special agreement prior to BR VII.
Zakath's memory must be failing.
You don't believe I was ill? You honestly think I would lie about something like that?
If you honestly think that is the case, then you don't know me as well as you believe.
Uh... well... I think we have been over this before but what the heck....Originally posted by Zakath
If I lied, please point it out so I can stand corrected...
As you know (or should know) you specifically asked me via PM if you could use any BR VII material for your own use after the battle.
I then granted you that wish and also extended it to Bob.
TOL gave BOTH you and Bob permission to use any BR VII material for your own use at your request!
I still have all the PM's just in case.
Zakath
Resident Atheist
That's not how I recall it. The standard agreement had us surrender rights to our own posts. IIRC I was asking for permission to use my own material, not Enyarts.
That's helpful. If you could PM me with a copy of that info I'd like to have it.
BTW, Jefferson's aspersions to the contrary, I have no problem with you reaping the benefits of my debate with Enyart. You hosted the debate, after all.
It's him benefitting that perturbs me.
1Way
+OL remote satellite affiliate
Zakath
Ah, I see Mr. Knight has laid to rest these concerns. But I already made this post, so here, read it anyway. (chuckles)
Money for nothing. (Zakath are you eyeing Enyart's wallet, is the eyes of your inner man getting bigger?)
(Hindsight. I see Knight has already granted you rights to the debate just as I suspected. "Maybe" you should not have ended your participation in the debate as early as you did, you might have had a better product to sell.)
Ah, I see Mr. Knight has laid to rest these concerns. But I already made this post, so here, read it anyway. (chuckles)
Money for nothing. (Zakath are you eyeing Enyart's wallet, is the eyes of your inner man getting bigger?)
This is a public forum, I believe that you generally released your rights of copyright by giving your writing to the public for it's common unprotected consumption/use. And you specifically released your rights to your input here as per the forum's usage/registration process.
Are you somehow prohibited to seek to create your own compilation of the debate and sell it? I bet if you asked the owners of TOL, that if you faithfully reproduced the entire debate as it happened, that they would (very likely) agree to let you sell the debate. I believe you would not do that, because objectively speaking, you did a pretty bad job compared to Bob Enyart, but I'd say if you want to put your money where your mouth is, then go for it!
(Hindsight. I see Knight has already granted you rights to the debate just as I suspected. "Maybe" you should not have ended your participation in the debate as early as you did, you might have had a better product to sell.)
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