Who are the True Conservatives?

[Ktoyou]

You are talking about traditional conservative, as opposed to social conservatives. I would say I am a traditional conservative conservative, yes I support the past traditions, yet I do not see these traditions as apart from Christian values.

Have you ever read "The Conservative Mind; by Russel Kirk?

Do you know what Frank S. Meyer thoughts on "fusionism"? It is important to me, when discussing this topic to know if you know about political theory. Yes, for the record I do know liberal theory, in fact I am a classical liberal, can you imagine that?

 

[chrysostom]

You are talking about traditional conservative, as opposed to social conservatives. I would say I am a traditional conservative conservative, yes I support the past traditions, yet I do not see these traditions as apart from Christian values.

when you vote
you only have two choices
conservative
liberal

which one do you choose?

 

[The Horn]

Delmar, you need to learn the truth about Ted Cruz . This guy is absolutely terrifying . It's frightening enough that he's a US senator from Texas , but I wouldn't want him to be president any more than I would want Hitler in the White House . Wake up, dude !

 

[The Horn]

Goldwater was deaad wrong about Vietnam and other things. He wasn't perfect . But I do agree with him absolutely on social issues .

 

[PureX]

You are talking about traditional conservative, as opposed to social conservatives.

I was talking about political conservatives.

I would say I am a traditional conservative conservative, yes I support the past traditions, yet I do not see these traditions as apart from Christian values.

All you're saying is that you are a conservative Christian, which means you want to maintain the Christian status quo. But politics is not religion, and religion is not politics. Politically, you are not conservative, you are a radical; because your agenda is to make government serve your religious beliefs, which is not the status quo, politically.

Have you ever read "The Conservative Mind; by Russel Kirk?

Do you know what Frank S. Meyer thoughts on "fusionism"? It is important to me, when discussing this topic to know if you know about political theory. Yes, for the record I do know liberal theory, in fact I am a classical liberal, can you imagine that?

I am exceptionally good at grasping most any idea I'm presented with.

Try me.

So far, all I'm pointing out is the basic definition of a conservative, and how it refers to politics (vs. the economy, religion, sociology, art, or whatever other human endeavor we care to name).

 

[PureX]

when you vote
you only have two choices
conservative
liberal

which one do you choose?

Actually, neither of those choices have ever been posted on any ballot in the United States, ever.

Once again your bias has altered your perception of reality.

 

[Ktoyou]

Ted Cruz...US senator from Texas , but I wouldn't want him to be president any more than I would want Hitler in the White House

Ted is pro gun ownership, Hitler was antigun like national socialist Bernie, Ted trusts and respects the American people, while Hitler mistrusted all the people of his nation, all but himself, just like Bernie

Read Goldwater, "The Conscience of a Conservative" all those not pro republics are prone to dictatorship, all socialists crave being dictators, just like Communists!

 

[Delmar]

Delmar, you need to learn the truth about Ted Cruz . This guy is absolutely terrifying . It's frightening enough that he's a US senator from Texas , but I wouldn't want him to be president any more than I would want Hitler in the White House . Wake up, dude !

I participation in this thread so far has been limited to dispelling the nonsense that "most stupid people are conservative" I don't know enough about Ted Cruz to have an opinion of him.

 

[The Horn]

Hitler was not "anti-gun" and did not confiscate any . Guns were not evenan issue in Germany at the time . But Cruz IS alot like Hitler in other ways . Both are ruthless demagogues who will say anything to get power . Both are authoritarians and anti-freedom .
Cruz is a vicious anti-gay bigot ; not so extreme as to want to execute them , but still despicably hateful and intolerant toward gay people .
Cruz is basically to gay people what Hitler was to the Jews and the KKK are to blacks . He is a Dominionist, and is determined to bring America closer and clser to being a totalitarian Christian theocracy and
police state. He never comes out and says this in public, because while he's an idiot, he's not THAT stupid .
Please - don't drink the Ted Cruz Kool-Aid !

 

[Delmar]

Hitler was not "anti-gun" and did not confiscate any . Guns were not evenan issue in Germany at the time . But Cruz IS alot like Hitler in other ways . Both are ruthless demagogues who will say anything to get power . Both are authoritarians and anti-freedom .
Cruz is a vicious anti-gay bigot ; not so extreme as to want to execute them , but still despicably hateful and intolerant toward gay people .
Cruz is basically to gay people what Hitler was to the Jews and the KKK are to blacks . He is a Dominionist, and is determined to bring America closer and clser to being a totalitarian Christian theocracy and
police state. He never comes out and says this in public, because while he's an idiot, he's not THAT stupid .
Please - don't drink the Ted Cruz Kool-Aid !

While I don't know a lot about Ted Cruz, somthing tells me you may have been drinking some Kool-Aid of your own.

 

[rocketman]

Ted Cruz is NOT a conservative . He is a radical theocratic fascist .

Actually he is and that is why he is hated by the establishment and considering the source of the tripe in this post...you, it is obvious you don't know what fascism is but, you can get a pretty good idea of what fascism looks like just look at Obama who is the picture of a tyrant.

Cruz wants to turn America into an evangelical Christian theocracy and totalitarian police state which would not be much better than the Islamic theocracies of the middle east .

Not true...yet again. The fact that he is vocal about his belief set is no different than your chosen dictator Obama who believes in nothing but, his own narcissistic belief set. What data do have to provide where Cruz has ever even eluded to anything besides liberty? That's right he hasn't but, to a progressive libtard like yourself faith in and of itself is anathema to your pathetic secular humanist worldview. This statement shows what a complete moron you are just making crap up as you go...:loser:

Of course, he never comes out and admits this , because while he's
really stupid, he's not THAT stupid . He cynically panders to Republican voters, tells them what they want to hear in order to win support and votes , but unfortunately, too many people in America have been drinking his Kool-Aid .

An Obama lovin libtard such as yourself has no right at all pointing out who is drinking the kool-aid, you libs have been drunk on the stuff Obama has been pushing going on 8 years now and what do you have to show for it? That's right....nothing but, a weakened broken nation, a world that is on the verge of collapse socially & economically...face it your man is a failure and you have drank the poison punch all along.

Rand Paul claims to be a libertarian, but he's far from being one.

He is not much of a conservative either...so what? Is he even a contender?

He's anti-choice and not at all sympathetic to gay rights, and is opposed to same sex marriage ,making him an orthodox right-winger.

Well at least he got those things right if that really is his position...I really haven't paid attention to him, he is just background noise.

Mike Huckabee is almost as theocratic as Cruz, but not quite .
Sorry, but there is not a single GOP candidate who iseven remotely fit to be president.

Given that you have voted for an inept unqualified novice twice who has only sunk this nation deeper in debt, weakened our standing in the world, and caused unrest all over the globe you really have credibility to point out is, or is not, fit for the presidency...you have poor judgement.

They are all so far right they make Archie Bunker look like a liberal .

Archie Bunker was a middle class union worker from Queens, NY...hardly a right winger by any standard. Archie mirrored the democrat in all their racist luster...yes, I am sorry to break it to you the democrat party is the party of racism and history proves that out.

DwightEisenhower, Gerald Ford and Barry Goldwater are left-wing pinko commies compared to these whack jobs

It is obvious you don't know where any of these men stood on any issues...Eisenhower & Ford were quite liberal in many ways, Goldwater was very much a conservative, destroyed by the establishment RINO's of his time.

The GOP used to be sane, but it has gone completely bonkers !

This field has finally gotten sane by distancing themselves from the RINO's that is why they are up in the polls over their "sane" RINO counterparts...ie. Jeb, Kasich, Rubio, et al.

 

[jgarden]

I participation in this thread so far has been limited to dispelling the nonsense that "most stupid people are conservative" I don't know enough about Ted Cruz to have an opinion of him.

Estimated IQs of some of the Greatest Geniuses

Name - Nationality - Description - IQ
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1. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Germany Poet/Writer. Universal genius. 210
2. Emanuel Swedenborg Sweden Religious writer. Universal genius. 205
3. Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz Germany Philosopher/Mathematician, etc. The greatest universal genius together with Leonardo da Vinci. 205
4. John Stuart Mill England Philosopher/Economist/Political theorist 200
5. Blaise Pascal France Mathematician/Physicist/Religious thinker 195
6. Ludwig Wittgenstein Austria Philosopher 190
7. Bobby Fischer U.S.A. Chess player 187
8. Galileo Galilei Italy Physicist/Astronomer/Philosopher 185
9. René Descartes France Philosopher/Mathematician 180
10. Madame De Stael France Woman of letters/Novelist/Political Philosopher 180
11. Immanuel Kant Germany Philosopher 175
12. Sofia Kovalevskaya Russia/Sweden Mathematician/Writer 170
13. Thomas Chatterton England Poet/Writer 170
14. Charles Darwin England Naturalist 165
15. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Austria Composer 165
16. Albert Einstein Germany Mathematician/Physicist 161
17. George Eliot (Mary Ann Evans) England Writer - Close friend to J.S. Mill. 160
18. Nicolaus Copernicus Poland Cleric/Astronomer 160
19. Rembrandt van Rijn Holland Painter/Etcher 155
20. George Sand (Aurore Dupin) France Writer 150

http://www.free-iqtest.net/genius-iq.asp

The individual responsible for the quote "Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative" was John Stuart Mill, an English philosopher/economist/political theorist with an estimated IQ of 200, the 4th highest in history.

 

[chrysostom]

when you vote
you only have two choices
conservative
liberal

which one do you choose?

Actually, neither of those choices have ever been posted on any ballot in the United States, ever.

Once again your bias has altered your perception of reality.

the conservative has no choice
but
to vote republican

the liberal has no choice
but
to vote democratic

and that is the truth

 

[Delmar]

The individual responsible for the quote "Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative" was John Stuart Mill, an English philosopher/economist/political theorist with an estimated IQ of 200, the 4th highest in history.

You got me there! If you ever want to settle an argument, all you need to do is compare the IQ scores of the people making the argument and you have a winner!

Have you ever noticed, by the way, that a lot of really smart people disagree from time to time? :think:

 

[Town Heretic]

You got me there! If you ever want to settle an argument, all you need to do is compare the IQ scores of the people making the argument and you have a winner!

Hot dang! :banana: :devil: :banana: I knew that Time-Life Great Thinkers Who Agree With You series was going to pay dividends over time...unlike the ill-considered Time-Life Great Stock Tips series that didn't. :mmph:

Have you ever noticed, by the way, that a lot of really smart people disagree from time to time? :think:

Well, there's smart and there's smarter and the difference between the two tends to be decided by user agreement.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

... I don't know enough about Ted Cruz to have an opinion of him.

While I don't know a lot about Ted Cruz, ...

Why don't you take some time and educate yourself about this truly great Christian/conservative man?

 

[PureX]

the conservative has no choice
but
to vote republican

the liberal has no choice
but
to vote democratic

and that is the truth

Only in the biased and irrational world of your own mind, is that true.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Hitler was not "anti-gun" and did not confiscate any . Guns were not evenan issue in Germany at the time

Disarming Jews in Nazi Germany

On November 11, 1938, the Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons was promulgated by Minister of the Interior, Wilhelm Frick. This regulation effectively deprived all Jews living in those locations of the right to possess any form of weapons including truncheons, knives, or firearms and ammunition.[7] Some police forces used the pre-existing "trustworthiness" clause to disarm Jews on the basis "the Jewish population 'cannot be regarded as trustworthy'".[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_legislation_in_Germany

 

[chrysostom]

Only in the biased and irrational world of your own mind, is that true.

your vote is wasted
if
you don't vote democratic

 

[The Horn]

Angel4truth, these laws depriving Jews of the right to own guns etc were aimed only at THEM, not to the general German populace .
Yes, guns were not even an issue at the time in Germany .
How many guns has the Obama adninistration confiscated so far from private citizens ? Zero. Zip. Nada . So much for Obama being a "gun grabber ".