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Same one and only gospel that saves for eternal life---believe in Jesus for the forgiveness of sins.
They are grafted back in IF THEY HAVE FAITH THAT JESUS washes away their sins and not the blood of animals.
WHICH GENTILES ARE GRAFTED INTO THE OLIVE TREE
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They are grafted back in IF THEY HAVE FAITH THAT JESUS washes away their sins and not the blood of animals.
yup still ARE a shadow of things to come... and STILL to come even after Jesus came and left...
oh and on Gal 3:24 the Berean Study Bible has a closer reading to the Greek
Before this faith came, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24So the Law became our guardian to lead us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
as you will note sins of the world are still all around tempting and causing us to stumble...Passover...the time of the cross...is NOT A SIN OFFERING but a thank offering...a thank offering for passing us over...As we are covered by His blood...
there is still GOOD things to come...the final Judgement day of AtONEment is still a good thing to come...that is a sin offering and when He will take away the sins of the world...Forever...
halleluYah
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No more shadows. If a Jew or Gentiles isn't saved when Jesus comes, then it is too late.
When Jesus comes back, if a person doesn't repent of their sins and have faith that Jesus' blood shed blood on the cross washes away their sins, then they will suffer wrath and eternal condemnation.
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There is no more covenant with Jews as before.
The Jews are bound to the same place as the Gentiles.
ok seriously I need you to step it up in your rebellion...you continue with your same old vomit over and over again...merely to convince yourself better than any psychological programming propogandist...
Paul CLEARLY writes they ARE shadows still and of good things to come...and if your reprobate mind cannot allow your blind eyes to see then perhaps it is because you are blinded by a counterfeit light which indeed creates illusions of self illumination...
so come up with new lies or false witness that I might learn how else a twisted dark heart rejects the truth or else I am merely tossing pearls to one who would rather wallow in self righteousness and deception...thinking “I am safe” in man made tradition and NOT following Him His Way...
it is faith first then grace and then obedience doing His works He prepared beforehand befitting repentance...
hearing and doing His Will...not your own
certianly NOT just “LORD! LORD!” but “Here are they that keep the Commandments of Yah and the faith OF Yahushua” what is His faith lifestyle? Do that...claim you abide in Him you MUST LIVE LIKE HIM...
you claim the Law is changed thus do not sin
you claim that is enough? Even the thief on the cross would have had to OBEY and DO His works befitting repentance would he have lived...to FOLLOW HIM as He lived
of course unlike you he would WANT to having been saved...
is why work out your salvation with fear and trembling...to live MORE like Him and not like your former self or fall after your own uncircumcised deceptive self righteous heart...
but Vatican 2 and the zionist MAD claim the old remains for the unbelieving...
And a New Covenant with ALTERED TERMS AND CONDITIONS...with NOT His Law within circumcised hearts and “inward Jew” minds...
BUT IT REMAINS as He taught and modelled for us to live PRIOR signing it with His blood and sealing it His death...and is NOW in effect as the Testator died...
New contract SAME terms and conditions.
Jew and Gentile ONE NEW MAN...JOINED...NO DISTINCTION between them..."...You see, brother, how many myriads of Jews there are who have believed, and they are all zealous for the law;" Acts 21:20
As per Acts 15 council keeping dietary restrictions too...oh and keeping the Sabbath too as James concluded.
Paul even took a VOW to PROVE he was still zealous for the Law...
Time and again Paul maintains his innocence of the rumors false accusations and false witness Jew tried to trap him with...the VERY ONES YOU CLAIM...”Jesus changed the customs Moses delivered”
Before the Sanhedrin Paul was defended by the Pharisees to the point a Roman commander had to send in his troops.
Act 23:9 A great clamor arose, and some scribes from the party of the Pharisees got up and contended sharply, “We find nothing wrong with this man. What if a spirit or an angel has spoken to him?”
Do you really really really think zealous Pharisees would approve of Paul’s teaching “ok no more Sabbath...every day is Holy now...Oh and you can eat swine and dog now”
CERTAINLY NOT...just as certain as our faith does NOT do away with the Law...but we establish it Romans 3:31
This is what Paul confesses under house arrest towards the end of Acts...
Acts 28:17
After three days, he called together the leaders of the Jews. When they had gathered, he said to them, "Brothers, although I have done nothing against our people or the customs of our fathers,
Do you really think he could have said that IF he taught (as you claim over and over again) “no more Sabbath every day is holy...eat whatever”
You are MAD absolutely...and mentally
is why Yah made NO DISTINCTION between believing Jews and believing Gentiles as they obeyed THE SAME WAY
Even a blind pagan would make a distinction between Sabbath keeping Jews and your insolent group of “every day is Holy eat whatever” as soon as he smelt your BACON frying...LOL
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Well did Jesus blood she'd wash away their sins or not ?
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A person has to actually repent of their sins and have faith that Jesus' blood washed away their sins.
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The person that made those shadows did come. Now listen to the person and not the shadow. Listen to Jesus the Teacher.
It doesn't matter if you have faith first or right actions first, as long as you end up with both, you can be saved. See John 7:17.
Faith without right actions is dead and can't save anyone. See James and don't deceive yourself.
Your will must be to do God's will.
You are a false witness.
You are not careful enough about the truth, and it is why you don't have it.
I say there is a new law and one must obey it.
The thief on the cross did obey.
The thief on the cross obeyed God, he feared God, humbled himself, admitted his sins, acknowledged Jesus before men, believed in his heart, was willing to wait on him, and called on his name, Jesus.
You have no idea, and resist all the teaching of revelations I have been giving you.
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That is about God saving the CIRCUMCISED JEW AND saving the UNCIRCUMCISED GENTILE, both saved, given the Holy Spirit, which means it is by what is in the heart and not about the shadow circumcision in the flesh or any of the other shadows.
That was a NEGATIVE. Go study harder.
I gave you scriptures and explanation to help you, but you are stubborn and stumble and fall on your bronze forehead.
No, Paul did that to prove he doesn't break the temple laws.
The temple was still standing and the Pharisees and teachers of the law still enforced it and prosecuted people to defend it.
That is because Paul enticed them by speaking of spirits, something they believed in and the Sadducees didn't, like you don't.
Go read what Paul said. He didn't bring up circumcision and the other purification works as given to Moses, but he did still say they don't justify anymore.
What else is a person such as yourself going to say?
even when He instructs prayers be said that in future times of trouble the Sabbath will be kept...
just like in 70AD future times of trouble will not occur only on the Sabbath...
you can have the wrong faith and the wrong obedience is exactly the issue...
I do agree and endeavor to match my fruit and works MORE like Him and not less...
you however are content with claiming a NEW and IMPROVED Son's edition Law
which destroys His Father's having changed it..
.thus the Kingdom is divided between those that thought they did have to vs those that claimed they did not..."NOT FOR ME"
IF there is a new law then the old is changed...and the new Law points out what? new sin? and the old law no longer points sin out...as what is sin has been redefined...
wonder why a NEW LAW was NOT inserted to prevent His Son's torture and death...or any of us...
"Listen up EVERYBODY"...it would have to be CLEARLY ANNOUNCED
"there's a brand NEW law...namely he who sins gets a balloon drop and cake...a pony even!!"
There you happy now? See? and NOBODY would have to die...
Oh and change it before Jesus was arrested and well...you just SAVED HIM...
did more than you...and you keep stealing proper worship from Him and teaching others to do the same with our idolatry...
you missed...I said IF HE WAS SPARED HIS DEATH AND KEPT LIVING he would have to continue to obey and NOT return to his former life of thieving...
of course had he been spared he would WANT to LIVE more LIKE his savior...unlike you...
sure I do! and I am taking careful notes as to the extent and by what manner your reprobate uncircumcised heart rebels and resists Him His Way...
so far it is pretty typical of others who claim "every day is holy...eat whatever...cuz His way ain't for me"...
was hoping to learn new rationales clearer arguments or better insights as to WHY it is NOT WWJD? after all...
or at least more clever ones...
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Either He washed their sins away or not!
HALLELUYAH...oh praise be you FINALLY GET IT...well again...but then you go and muck it all up...
but yes EXACTLY the circumcised heart the "inner jew" will WANT to stay undefiled and clean and holy and of course include Sabbath as that is EXACTLY what He did...being ONE with the Father HIS WILL
yup back to your own vomit...
Acts 21:20-21 20"When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul: "You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law. 21They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs."
The 10,000+ Jews believed and were still zealous for the Law...Paul went to make a vow to show he still walked uprightly and in accordance to the law their custom
This is why it says so right here:
"Then everyone will know that there is no truth to these rumors about you, but that you also live in obedience to the law." Acts 21:24
you sure do make things up...otherwise known as LIE...but I guess in the NEW LAW you CAN do that?
Paul was on trial for multiple offenses and accusations as rumors were constant and so the Sanhedrin decided to meet to hear this out...or do you think they met separately for each item? Or that Paul was ONLY accused for preaching resurrection?
yup and one of the reasons why I do NOT is because even the Sadducees stuck to the TORAH and scriptures and did not allow the Hellenized world view of ancestral worship and spirit world prosperity gospel contaminate their understanding.
because that was NOT what Paul was accused of...defended himself at EVERY TRIAL as NOT offending the Law Temple or Customs...AND NO PROOF WAS PROVIDED THAT HE DID...NOT EVEN HIS LETTERS
not at this trial he didn't...but JEWS ALREADY KNOW THAT THE OT DOES NOT TEACH JUSTIFICATION THROUGH THE LAW but it was BY FAITH go read Heb 11
a reprobate answer...typical...disappointing actually...I am here to learn from you...learn how the uncircumcised heart not "inner Jew" mind rebels against Him His Ways...
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They have to repent or die in their sins.
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Did Christ blood wash away their sins or not?
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So what that it means the Sabbath will still be kept? Does it mean it is good to keep it? Or does it mean that the Jews who reject Jesus will still be locking the gates to the city because they still have no understanding?
That is bizarre talk. No such thing as wrong faith and wrong obedience.
The son only does what his Father wants him to do.
That is more bizarre talk from you.
The purification works which included the sacrificing of animals was a shadow of Jesus, but then you think Jesus should not have fulfilled that is just too ignorant.
There is nothing there to reason with it is all illogical ramblings.
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Did they repent of their sins?
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You sound like a wannabe zealous Jew that made Peter afraid and act out of line with the gospel---(except the Jews would have disqualified you every week for defiling the Sabbath and your defiling your food).
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You call the gospel ‘vomit’.
They didn’t even see Paul until he went to Jerusalem.
Did Paul preach circumcision or not? What would happen if he did?
You are the one doing that.
It is a sin to lie and it is hated by me.
Paul was accused of saying Jesus is raised from the dead and is the way to justify, and that the law of Moses couldn’t.
When Paul saw that there were Pharisees and Sadducees, he knew how he could get the Pharisees on his side.
Acts 23: 8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both.
You’re too ignorant to see that it is a minus to say you are like a Sadducee.
There are angels and spirits.
You keep going against God.
You are so without understanding. One had to obey the old law to be justified, as justified as one could be---but not to the point that Jesus justifies us.
Galatians 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
You keep trying to be justified by the old teaching tool.
I am trying to show you, but you stumble on the Rock.
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What that has to do with whether or not Christ died for their sins ? She'd His Blood for them?