ECT When will Michael stand up?

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Rondonmonson

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Michael ie Jesus has already expeled Satan from heaven. This happened thousands of years ago. The theory of a seven-year tribulation is unscriptural. The woman, Bible symbolism for a church, was in the wilderness for 1260 years which are prophetically represented as days, Rev 12:14. The Waldensian church was contending for the faith once delivered to the saints in the wilderness during that time while the Antichrist, ie the Pope hunted her, seeking to destroy her. This is all history. The abomination that maketh desolate, Daniel 12:11, is the Catholic church which is Satan's masterpiece. This abomination that maketh desolate was set up when the daily, ie paganism was removed.
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Wow, the WOMAN is not the Church !! The WOMAN is Israel, Revelation is encoded with the Old Testament. The Woman is clothed in the Sun, Moon, and 12 Stars, now read Genesis 37, Joseph dreamed a dream in with the Sun, Moon and 11 Stars would pay obeisance unto him. Thus the Sun (Jacob), Moon (Rachel/Leah) and 11 Stars (His Brothers) are NO DOUBT ISRAEL !! It is not even debatable.

And Satan is OUR ACCUSER day and night in Heaven. The RCC has nothing to do with Satan. The Abomination is the Anti-Christ setting up an Image of himself in the Temple of God.
 
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Rondonmonson said:
Wow, the WOMAN is not the Church !! The WOMAN is Israel, Revelation is encoded with the Old Testament. The Woman is clothed in the Sun, Moon, and 12 Stars, now read Genesis 37, Joseph dreamed a dream in with the Sen, Moon and 11 Stars would pay obeisance unto him. Thus the Sun (Jacob), Moon (Rachel/Leah) and 11 Stars (His Brothers) are NO DOUBT ISRAEL !! It is not even debatable.

And Satan is OUR ACCUSER day and night in Heaven. The RCC has nothing to do with Satan. The Abomination is the Amtio-Christ setting up an Image of himself in the Temple of God.
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Yes it is debatable whether that woman is what you say. The church in the 6th decade was pressured as described here, although I doubt that anything in the Rev was meant to match exactly. The Rev was a pastoral book of songs and admonitions to the early Christians during the awful period of the Jewish war. It says so on the first page.
 
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Yes it is debatable whether that woman is what you say. The church in the 6th decade was pressured as described here, although I doubt that anything in the Rev was meant to match exactly. The Rev was a pastoral book of songs and admonitions to the early Christians during the awful period of the Jewish war. It says so on the first page.
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:chuckle:

Rationalizer...
 
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I should have used may be, rather than probably. Do a search and look up The angel of the Lord and compare to an angel of the Lord. It is just interesting to compare. Take Haggi and how the angel of the Lord says "I will multiply thy seed so that it shall not be numbered" and tells balam to speak the words he tells him and a few other intersting things that show a definate authority. Where as an angel of the Lord always say this saith the Lord or tells them not to worship or so on. Same thing not seen by the angel of the Lord.

Its just curious the difference like the man who wrestles with jacob and jacob says i have seen The Lord face to face. Simalar instances are used about The angel of the Lord and never about an angel of the Lord. Angel just means heavely messanger. The direct article seems to be distinguishing, and for the reasons above. When an is indirect. Like if you said a bishop of the church is not as specific as The Bishop of the church. Just interesting that The angel of the Lord speaks with authority as if what he says is law. All other angels speak in subjection or relay authority.

Since i get what you are saying!!! How would u explain that curiosity?
 
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Yes, he will return in judgement of the whole world, but it has nothing to do with turkey in Jerusalem. Nothing needs to happen on earth for God to enact the final day of judgement.
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IF the parable of the good seed says that the judgment (rooting up) of the tares must be postponed lest the good but sinful seed be judged (pulled up) with them, then the harvest as the time of maturity of the good seed and the burning of the tares must be accomplished on earth before the judgement upon the tares.

And the only maturity that keeps a sinner from being judged is a maturity in holy righteousness available to the good seed by the painful discipline of the LORD: Heb 12:5-11 Even Peter says we can speed up the coming of that great and terrible day by our holiness: 2 Peter 3:11 Since everything will be dissolved in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to conduct yourselves in holiness and godliness 12 as you anticipate and hasten / speed the coming of the day of God, when the heavens will be dissolved by fire and the elements will melt in the heat.
 
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IF the parable of the good seed says that the judgment (rooting up) of the tares must be postponed lest the good but sinful seed be judged (pulled up) with them, then the harvest as the time of maturity of the good seed and the burning of the tares must be accomplished on earth before the judgement upon the tares.

And the only maturity that keeps a sinner from being judged is a maturity in holy righteousness available to the good seed by the painful discipline of the LORD: Heb 12:5-11 Even Peter says we can speed up the coming of that great and terrible day by our holiness: 2 Peter 3:11 Since everything will be dissolved in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to conduct yourselves in holiness and godliness 12 as you anticipate and hasten / speed the coming of the day of God, when the heavens will be dissolved by fire and the elements will melt in the heat.
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OK...so I still don't think any events need to take place in the middle east before God ends this earth as we know it. The end, the judgement, the sparing of believers, the NHNE are all very quick; in a blink.
 
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ttruscott said:
IF the parable of the good seed says that the judgment (rooting up) of the tares must be postponed lest the good but sinful seed be judged (pulled up) with them, then the harvest as the time of maturity of the good seed and the burning of the tares must be accomplished on earth before the judgement upon the tares.

And the only maturity that keeps a sinner from being judged is a maturity in holy righteousness available to the good seed by the painful discipline of the LORD: Heb 12:5-11 Even Peter says we can speed up the coming of that great and terrible day by our holiness: 2 Peter 3:11 Since everything will be dissolved in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to conduct yourselves in holiness and godliness 12 as you anticipate and hasten / speed the coming of the day of God, when the heavens will be dissolved by fire and the elements will melt in the heat.
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Are these conditions of Psalm 72 in operation now or in a time to come?

Psa 72:4 He shall judge the poor of the people, he shall save the children of the needy, and shall break in pieces the oppressor.
Psa 72:5 They shall fear thee as long as the sun and moon endure, throughout all generations.
Psa 72:6 He shall come down like rain upon the mown grass: as showers that water the earth.
Psa 72:7 In his days shall the righteous flourish; and abundance of peace so long as the moon endureth.
Psa 72:8 He shall have dominion also from sea to sea, and from the river unto the ends of the earth.
Psa 72:9 They that dwell in the wilderness shall bow before him; and his enemies shall lick the dust.
Psa 72:10 The kings of Tarshish and of the isles shall bring presents: the kings of Sheba and Seba shall offer gifts.
Psa 72:11 Yea, all kings shall fall down before him: all nations shall serve him.

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Rondonmonson said:
Wow, the WOMAN is not the Church !! The WOMAN is Israel, Revelation is encoded with the Old Testament. The Woman is clothed in the Sun, Moon, and 12 Stars, now read Genesis 37, Joseph dreamed a dream in with the Sun, Moon and 11 Stars would pay obeisance unto him.
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The woman of Revelation is the church, but again the church is Israel. So when God is referring to the daughter of Zion in Jeremiah 6:2, "I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely and delicate woman," He is referring to the church. For proof of this, read Acts 7:37, 38 "This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear. This is he, that was IN THE CHURCH in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina..." Israel in the wilderness is here referred to as the church.
It is worth noting that not all professed believers are the Israel of God, but only those who have the sign between Him and them. And just what sign this is given in God's word, "Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. It is a SIGN between me and the children of Israel forever..." Exodus 31:16,17. Only the sabbath-keeping believers are reckoned the Israel of God.
In summary, Israel is the church and the church is Israel. In Heaven's reckoning, all the rest are the unbelieving world.
 
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The woman of Revelation is the church, but again the church is Israel. So when God is referring to the daughter of Zion in Jeremiah 6:2, "I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely and delicate woman," He is referring to the church. For proof of this, read Acts 7:37, 38 "This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear. This is he, that was IN THE CHURCH in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina..." Israel in the wilderness is here referred to as the church.
It is worth noting that not all professed believers are the Israel of God, but only those who have the sign between Him and them. And just what sign this is given in God's word, "Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. It is a SIGN between me and the children of Israel forever..." Exodus 31:16,17. Only the sabbath-keeping believers are reckoned the Israel of God.
In summary, Israel is the church and the church is Israel. In Heaven's reckoning, all the rest are the unbelieving world.
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the thing is too close to what happened in the Jewish revolt to miss that.
 
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Rondonmonson

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ThreeAngels said:
The woman of Revelation is the church, but again the church is Israel. So when God is referring to the daughter of Zion in Jeremiah 6:2, "I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely and delicate woman," He is referring to the church. For proof of this, read Acts 7:37, 38 "This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear. This is he, that was IN THE CHURCH in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina..." Israel in the wilderness is here referred to as the church.
It is worth noting that not all professed believers are the Israel of God, but only those who have the sign between Him and them. And just what sign this is given in God's word, "Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. It is a SIGN between me and the children of Israel forever..." Exodus 31:16,17. Only the sabbath-keeping believers are reckoned the Israel of God.
In summary, Israel is the church and the church is Israel. In Heaven's reckoning, all the rest are the unbelieving world.
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The Church is not Israel.....And the Woman is Israel.
 
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ttruscott said:
IF the parable of the good seed says that the judgment (rooting up) of the tares must be postponed lest the good but sinful seed be judged (pulled up) with them, then the harvest as the time of maturity of the good seed and the burning of the tares must be accomplished on earth before the judgement upon the tares.

And the only maturity that keeps a sinner from being judged is a maturity in holy righteousness available to the good seed by the painful discipline of the LORD: Heb 12:5-11 Even Peter says we can speed up the coming of that great and terrible day by our holiness: 2 Peter 3:11 Since everything will be dissolved in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to conduct yourselves in holiness and godliness 12 as you anticipate and hasten / speed the coming of the day of God, when the heavens will be dissolved by fire and the elements will melt in the heat.
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Right, nothing needs to happen in Judea on earth for the 2nd coming to take place. God can delay as long as he wants.
 
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Rondonmonson

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Well then you don't know that the 'woman' was removed from the Jewish war to safety in the middle of that disaster and it kept the church thriving.
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The event in Rev. 12 has not yet happened. This can be proved by trinagulating Daniel 11:45/12:1-2, Matthew 24:14-23 and Rev chapter 12:6-17
 
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Rondonmonson said:
The event in Rev. 12 has not yet happened. This can be proved by trinagulating Daniel 11:45/12:1-2, Matthew 24:14-23 and Rev chapter 12:6-17
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The Rev says on page 1 that it is soon, quickly, at hand.

Matt 24A (up to 29) is the decimating event that took place in Judea in that generation. That happens to be why he said...that generation, if you want to be literal. The end of the world was expected immediately after, but not 'bound' to that.

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