This is still vague. Are you saying humans are like robots and have no will?
When were we chosen?
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This is still vague. Are you saying humans are like robots and have no will?
Ac 17:27, Mt 7:14 :dizzy:
Cedarbay
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Your question was regarding salvation, Ktoyou, and I was clear in stating my belief.
Humans have a mind, will, heart (sometimes referred to as soul), given by God.
Scripture proves that God is sovereign, immutable, and has all authority to do as He pleases. None can stay His hand.
No robots, no puppets, nothing but the glorious friendship of the Good Shepherd for those He has called into the fold.
Cedarbay
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I'm just beginning to read Luther's, Bondage of the Will. Perhaps we can discuss at a later date.
http://www.christianbook.com/the-bondage-of-the-will/martin-luther/9780801048937/pd/53429
http://www.christianbook.com/the-bondage-of-the-will/martin-luther/9780801048937/pd/53429
I read it like the bible says it...why change it?
God chose us in Christ before the world was founded...if Jesus sat at table with you and said "you have not chosen Me but I have chosen you" would you contradict Him.
That we are chosen and predestined to be conformed to God's Son does not preclude others from being saved.
I believe in the wider mercy
Yes it is a little puff of pride, we don't like to be entirely at God's mercy
God can't choose a soul that does not yet exist. :AMR: To be chosen, one must choose God.lain:
God will not touch man's will. Doing that would make him a robot. Man has the ability to choose God or not (Luke 23:28).
You are not using scripture for this.
The bible says we are born again "not by the will of man nor by the will of the flesh, but by the will of God"
Who said that man has freewill? did you read somewhere that God said "behold I give unto you freewill"?
God made man and He gave Him commands...that is not freewill, you say but man could disobey, yes he could but then he dies...dead men do not have freewill
Why are you afraid of God's good and perfect will? don't you trust Him? were you saved to just go on in what you call freewill but the bible calls bondage.
The devil makes us puppets...God makes us members of Himself, makes us ONE with Him....except of course unless you are pursuing what you call freewill but the bible calls bondage.
Why akse Christ to dwell in you?
God can't choose a soul that does not yet exist. :AMR: To be chosen, one must choose God.
God will not touch man's will. Doing that would make him a robot. Man has the ability to choose God or not (Luke 23:28).
We existed in His foreknowledge
Whom He foreknew He also predestined...more like how can you preplan someone's life who you do not know~~?
You are saying "whom God did NOT foreknow He also predestined..."
Doesn't make sense.
Ephesians.14.
According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world. that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love
Having predestined us
unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself according to the
good pleasure of HIS will.
I want God's will don't you?
You said that.
Thatirresistible grace is resisted every day (Jer 17:9). :dizzy:
God is irresistible "in the day of His power"
What people call freewill Paul calls bondage
"Ye were in bondage to the elementary spirits of the universe before you knew [or rather were known of] God.
PROVE YOUR FREEWILL
Lay down and die and then rise up again,
go for a week without sinning, surely that would be a trifle for men with freewill.
We are BOUND to sin
we are BOUND to die
Bondage is not freewill.
"Ye were in bondage to the elementary spirits of the universe before you knew [or rather were known of] God.
PROVE YOUR FREEWILL
Lay down and die and then rise up again,
go for a week without sinning, surely that would be a trifle for men with freewill.
We are BOUND to sin
we are BOUND to die
Bondage is not freewill.
I don't use any scripture to support my argument. :dizzy:
God (Ge 2:17).
He's already dead (Eph 2:3, Jn 3:7).
:yawn: Proof please (Eph 4:14).
each: I'm not going on in sin (1 Jn 5:18). :dizzy:
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Perhaps you have not noticed men resisting him daily (Jer 17:9). God has power (Mk 10:27). He'll move heaven and earth but he will not touch your will (McGee).
So you think when God said to Adam "thou shalt not..." He was giving him freewill
You say he is dead...do dead men have freewill then?
If you were seeking God's good and perfect will you would not be so wrapped up in man's [supposedly] freewill
So you equate going on in your own "free" will with going on in sin.
I say it is bondage and bondage will lead to sin.
Did you ask Christ to dwell in you so that you can go on in your own "free" will?
You say he is dead...do dead men have freewill then?
If you were seeking God's good and perfect will you would not be so wrapped up in man's [supposedly] freewill
So you equate going on in your own "free" will with going on in sin.
I say it is bondage and bondage will lead to sin.
Did you ask Christ to dwell in you so that you can go on in your own "free" will?
In the day of His power...you do not understand the term
If man has freewill there is no need for Christ to die, for all a man has to do is choose.
The fact is Paul says man is a slave to sin...do you understand slaves to have freewill?
Man is a slave and only by dying with Christ can he be set free.
The fact is Paul says man is a slave to sin...do you understand slaves to have freewill?
Man is a slave and only by dying with Christ can he be set free.
We came into existence at fertilization (Jer 1:5, Ps 139:13). :dizzy:
Cedarbay
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It is a classic, to be sure. It may be a few weeks before I can discuss it though, as it's not for the faint of heart/mind.I wish ALL Christians would read it.