When Do Biblical Nights Begin?

[WeberHome]

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● Jonah 1:17 . . The Lord appointed a great fish to swallow Jonah, and Jonah was in the stomach of the fish three days and three nights.

● Matt 12:40 . . As Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

According to Gen 1:3-5, Gen 1:14-18, and John 11:9, "day" is when the sun is up, and "night" is when the sun is down.

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[jamie]

According to Gen 1:3-5, Gen 1:14-18, and John 11:9, "day" is when the sun is up, and "night" is when the sun is down.

Does the sun really go up and down or does the earth rotate?

The Romans believed a new "day" began in the middle of the night referred to as midnight. How odd is that?

 

[S-word]

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● Jonah 1:17 . . And the LORD appointed a great fish to swallow Jonah, and Jonah was in the stomach of the fish three days and three nights.

● Matt 12:40 . . Just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

According to Gen 1:3-5, Gen 1:14-18, and John 11:9, "day" is when the sun is up, and "night" is when the sun is down.

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Which came first, darkness or Light?

The Jewish day began at sunset, and consisted of a 12 hour period pf Darkness, followed by a 12 hour period of Light; Jesus said; "A day has 12 hours does it not? So work while the light is with you."

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, all reveal that Jesus died on the day of preparation.

John 19: 14; It was the 6th hour of the 12 hour period of darkness (Midnight) on the day of preparation to the Passover, that Pilate passed the sentence of death on Jesus.

Jesus was nailed to the cross at the 3rd hour (9 AM) of the 12 hour period of light on the day of preparation to the Passover.

At the 6th hour (Midday) Darkness covered the land on the day of preparation to the Passover.

At the 9th hour (3 PM) Jesus gave up his spirit, on the day of preparation to the Passover.

About the 12 hour (6 PM) Jesus was buried, on the day of preparation to the Passover.

As darkness descended the Passover day began, and the Jews sat down to eat of the Pascal Lambs that they had slaughtered.

 

[clefty]

Which came first, darkness or Light?

The Jewish day began at sunset, and consisted of a 12 hour period pf Darkness, followed by a 12 hour period of Light; Jesus said; "A day has 12 hours does it not? So work while the light is with you."

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, all reveal that Jesus died on the day of preparation.

John 19: 14; It was the 6th hour of the 12 hour period of darkness (Midnight) on the day of preparation to the Passover, that Pilate passed the sentence of death on Jesus.

Jesus was nailed to the cross at the 3rd hour (9 AM) of the 12 hour period of light on the day of preparation to the Passover.

At the 6th hour (Midday) Darkness covered the land on the day of preparation to the Passover.

At the 9th hour (3 PM) Jesus gave up his spirit, on the day of preparation to the Passover.

About the 12 hour (6 PM) Jesus was buried, on the day of preparation to the Passover.

As darkness descended the Passover day began, and the Jews sat down to eat of the Pascal Lambs that they had slaughtered.

Darkness hovered over the face of the waters...

Then there was light called day...then darkness again now called night...

 

[clefty]

Does the sun really go up and down or does the earth rotate?

The Romans believed a new "day" began in the middle of the night referred to as midnight. How odd is that?

Bible is geocentric...that is odd only because we forgot who designed and made it that way

 

[clefty]

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● Jonah 1:17 . . And the LORD appointed a great fish to swallow Jonah, and Jonah was in the stomach of the fish three days and three nights.

● Matt 12:40 . . Just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

According to Gen 1:3-5, Gen 1:14-18, and John 11:9, "day" is when the sun is up, and "night" is when the sun is down.

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Jonah was not dead in the fish...nor does heart of the earth mean in the grave...

The meter starts when judas is paid to betray...now He is confined to the heart of the earth...Jerusalem....

 

[jamie]

Jonah was not dead in the fish...nor does heart of the earth mean in the grave...

Jonah was dead before the fish swallowed him.

 

[S-word]

Darkness hovered over the face of the waters...

Then there was light called day...then darkness again now called night...

Genesis 1: 5; And the evening and the morning were the first day. The evening comes before the morning.

Verse 8: And the evening and the morning were the second day. The evening comes before the morning.

Verse 13: And the evening and the morning were the third day. The evening comes before the morning.

Verse 19: And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. The evening comes before the morning.

Verse 23: And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. The evening comes before the morning.

Verse 31: And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. The evening comes before the morning.

 

[S-word]

Jonah was not dead in the fish...nor does heart of the earth mean in the grave...

The meter starts when judas is paid to betray...now He is confined to the heart of the earth...Jerusalem....

In 1933 a sulfur bottom whale was caught off the coast of cape cod it was 100 ft long and had a mouth over 10 foot wide. A man who was unfortunate enough to be swallowed could take refuge in any one of the whales stomach chambers, or the large cranial cavities (extensions of the nasal sinus) which measure 7 feet high, 7ft wide and 14ft long. More than big enough for a man to hide safely inside.

And I'm sorry clefty, but the meter started at 3PM on the day of the preparation to the Passover, when Jesus died and remained dead in the flesh, for 3 Days and 3 nights.

 

[Tambora]

Which came first, darkness or Light?

The Jewish day began at sunset, and consisted of a 12 hour period pf Darkness, followed by a 12 hour period of Light; Jesus said; "A day has 12 hours does it not? So work while the light is with you."

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, all reveal that Jesus died on the day of preparation.

John 19: 14; It was the 6th hour of the 12 hour period of darkness (Midnight) on the day of preparation to the Passover, that Pilate passed the sentence of death on Jesus.

Jesus was nailed to the cross at the 3rd hour (9 AM) of the 12 hour period of light on the day of preparation to the Passover.

At the 6th hour (Midday) Darkness covered the land on the day of preparation to the Passover.

At the 9th hour (3 PM) Jesus gave up his spirit, on the day of preparation to the Passover.

About the 12 hour (6 PM) Jesus was buried, on the day of preparation to the Passover.

As darkness descended the Passover day began, and the Jews sat down to eat of the Pascal Lambs that they had slaughtered.

Are you saying the preparation day (the day they kill the Passover lamb) is the 13th, or 14th of Nisan?

 

[S-word]

Are you saying the preparation day (the day they kill the Passover lamb) is the 13th, or 14th of Nisan?

The two evenings recorded in the Hebrew book of Exodus, were between midday, the first evening, when the sun began its descent toward the horizon, with the second evening being the twilight, immediately before the sun disappears.

From the Jerusalem Bible, Exodus 12: 5-6. The Pascal lamb must be an animal without blemish, a male one year old, you may take it from either sheep or goat. You must keep it till the 14th day of the month when the whole assembly of the community of Israel shall slaughter it between the two evenings, etc.

The Passover Lamb had to be eaten after the sun had set on the thirteenth day, which was the beginning of the 14th day of Passover. To slaughter thousands of animals, skin them, which includes skinning the head, hoofs and all without breaking a bone, then to gut the animal and wash clean the entrails that had to be eaten also, was not a job that would have been done in the dark.

This was the Law in the days of Moses and after.

But I have already said in another post, that the Jews later did away with the one day festival of Passover, and incorporated it into their seven day festival of Unleavened Bread.

Numbers 28: 16; The Passover festival in honour of the Lord, is to be held on the fourteenth of the first month.*

Exodus 12: 14; “You must celebrate ‘THIS DAY’*as a religious festival to remind you of what I, the Lord have done, Celebrate it (One day)*for all time to come.

Numbers 28:17; On the fifteenth day a religious festival begins which lasts seven days, during which, only unleavened bread is to be eaten. On the first and the last day of the seven day festival of unleavened bread, they were to gather for worship and no work was to be done on those days

The scriptures reveal how, when, and why, the day of Passover as a separate festival was abandoned.

But Jesus remained with the truth of God's word and ate the Passover meal with his disciples, in the evening of the 14th day of the first month.

The "Last Supper" was a Passover meal without a Lamb, as Jesus was the fulfilment of the Passover Lamb, and that Passover meal seems to have followed much the same order as we find in the Mishnah.

In the New Testament accounts, we find reference to the First Cup, also known as the Cup of Blessing (Luke 22:17); to the breaking of the matzoh (Luke 22:19); to the Third Cup, the Cup of Redemption (Luke 22:20); to reclining (Luke 22:14); to the charoseth or the maror (Matthew 26:23), and to the Hallel (Matthew 26:30).

In particular, the matzoh and the Third Cup are given special significance by Jesus:

And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me." In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you" (Luke 22:19-20)

Later that night Jesus was sentenced to death by Pilate at midnight, on the day of preparation to the Jews Passover which had been incorporated into their first day of the festival of Unleavened Bread, he was nailed to the cross at 9 AM and died at 3 PM, between the two evenings of the day of preparation to their Passover.

 

[Tambora]

The two evenings recorded in the Hebrew book of Exodus, were between midday, the first evening, when the sun began its descent toward the horizon, with the second evening being the twilight, immediately before the sun disappears.

I see no reason why "between the evenings" cannot read as the most simplistic meaning --- between the two nighttimes.

From the Jerusalem Bible, Exodus 12: 5-6. The Pascal lamb must be an animal without blemish, a male one year old, you may take it from either sheep or goat. You must keep it till the 14th day of the month when the whole assembly of the community of Israel shall slaughter it between the two evenings, etc.

The lamb or kid is sacrificed and prepared on the 14th.
The 14th IS the preparation day.
The only day that the Passover lamb was slain was on the 14th.

I believe the last supper was on the evening of the beginning of the 14th.
That same night Jesus was arrested. (still the 14th).
During the daylight portion of the day of the 14th, Jesus was on the cross.
When nighttime approached again (the beginning of the 15th), the lamb is eaten.

The Passover Lamb had to be eaten after the sun had set on the thirteenth day, which was the beginning of the 14th day of Passover.

The lamb could not be eaten until after it was slain. Lamb was slain on the 14th, and was eaten in the evening when the 14th ended and the 15th began.
In your above statement, you have the lamb eaten at the very beginning of the 14th, which would be before the lamb was slain.

 

[WeberHome]

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Q: Was Jonah alive in the fish?

A: Yes (Jonah 2:1).

Q: The whole time?

A: No.

At some point in Jonah's nautical adventure he went to a place called sheol (Jonah 2:2) which he described as the bottoms of the mountains. (Jonah 2:6)

The bottoms of the mountains aren't located in the tummies of fish, no; they're located down deep in the earth.

● Matt 12:40 . . For just as Jonah was in the belly of the huge fish three days and three nights, so the Son of man will be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights.

Now when you think about it, Christ's remains weren't interred in the heart of the earth. In point of fact his remains weren't even buried in the earth's soil. They were laid to rest on the surface of the earth in a rock-hewn tomb. So then, in order for Christ to be down in the heart of the earth while up on the surface too-- literally two places at once --he and his body had to part company and go separate ways.

Just before being cast ashore, Jonah prayed thus:

● Jonah 2:6 . .To the bottoms of the mountains I went down. As for the earth, its bars were upon me for time indefinite. But out of the pit you proceeded to bring up my life, O Jehovah my God.

The Hebrew word for "pit" in that verse is the very same word for "pit" in Ps 16:8-10; which Acts 2:25-31 verifies is speaking of putrefaction. In other words: Jonah 2:6 is the language of resurrection.

So then, just as Jonah's soul was not left at the bottoms of the mountains, Christ's soul was not left in the heart of the earth. And just as Jonah's body was not left to decompose in the fish, neither was Christ's left to decompose in the tomb. And just as Jonah came back from his grave within three days and nights as a human rather than a spirit, so Jesus came back from his grave within three days and nights as a human rather than a spirit. If none of this were so, then the story of Jonah's resurrection would be a pretty useless parallel to the story of Christ's resurrection.

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[jamie]

And just as Jonah came back from his grave within three days and nights as a human rather than a spirit, so Jesus came back from his grave within three days and nights as a human rather than a spirit.

Good point. We know Jesus wasn't in the tomb when the seal was broken and the stone rolled back, so obviously sometime during the night Jesus walked through the stone without the guards noticing.

He might have been hungry since he hadn't eaten in days and there was no sense in him starving to death.

 

[WeberHome]

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We know Jesus wasn't in the tomb when the seal was broken and the stone rolled back, so obviously sometime during the night Jesus walked through the stone without the guards noticing.

Were Saturday night the time of Jesus' resurrection; then, as per Matt 12:40, Friday night would have been the second night, and Thursday night would have been the first night; which would then indicate that Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday.

However, according to Matt 17:22-23, Mark 9:31, Luke 9:22, Luke 24:12-24, Luke 24:41-46, Acts 10:39-41, and 1Cor 15:4, Jesus' recovery did not take place at night; rather, during day.

Below is a popular "proof text" among night-resurrection proponents.

● John 20:1 . . Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance.

But that isn't the only information we're given. There's more.

● Matt 28:1 . . After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.

● Mark 16:2-3 . .Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb and they asked each other: Who will roll the stone away from the entrance of the tomb?

● Luke 24:1 . . On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb.

By combining Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John it's readily seen that the women left home as the sun was coming up, and by the time they arrived at the cemetery, it was full up. In other words: John doesn't say Magdalene arrived in the dark. His words "went to the tomb" indicate travel rather than arrival.

FYI: We're talking about holy women here; not kooks. Normal women don't, as a rule, prowl graveyards at night. None I know anyway.

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[jamie]

Were Saturday night the time of Jesus' resurrection...

I never said Jesus was harvested as the wave sheaf on the weekly Sabbath. I said he wasn't.

Was your reply intended for Clefty?

 

[S-word]

Darkness hovered over the face of the waters...

Then there was light called day...then darkness again now called night...

The first light came out of the darkness. There was evening and morning on the first day.

 

[clefty]

The first light came out of the darkness.

yup and it was called DAY...NOT evening...

There was evening and morning on the first day.

Ummm ok...

So there it is...out of darkness comes Light instantly and becomes evening then night then morning-the first day

If night comes before day how do you separate night from the darkness that hovered over the waters?

You need light for an evening indicating beginning of night

Notice it is not written there was an evening- the first day but there was an evening and a morning- the first day

Morning ends the night and previous day and begins the day the new day

 

[S-word]

yup and it was called DAY...NOT evening...



Ummm ok...

So there it is...out of darkness comes Light instantly and becomes evening then night then morning-the first day

If night comes before day how do you separate night from the darkness that hovered over the waters?

You need light for an evening indicating beginning of night

Notice it is not written there was an evening- the first day but there was an evening and a morning- the first day

Morning ends the night and previous day and begins the day the new day

Reveal to us all, where, in the scriptures, does it say, There was morning then evening the first, second, third, fourth fifth, or sixth day.

The Jewish day consisted of a 12 hour period of darkness followed by a 12 hour period of daylight.

Jesus ate the Passover meal with his disciples in the evening and beginning of the 14th day of Abib, the day of preparation to the Jewish Passover. He was sentenced to death by Pilate, on the 6th hour of the 12 hours of darkness (Midnight) on the 14th day of preparation. He was nailed to the cross on the 3rd hour (9 AM) of the 12 hours of day light on the 14th day of Abib, which followed the 12 hours of darkness on the day of preparation, he died at the 9th hour (3 PM) on the 14th day of Abib, the day of preparation to the Jewish Passover, which they eat in the evening, which was the beginning of the 15th day of Abib.

You either accept the Holy Scriptures which offer life, or you reject them.

 

[WeberHome]

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General use of the word "day" is somewhat ambiguous in the Old Testament. For example, at Gen 2:4, day indicates the entire creation endeavor.

I suggest we narrow the meaning of day down to just one relative to crucifixion week by falling in line with Jesus Christ. Who, than he, is better qualified to tell us how to understand a day as it was understood during the years when he himself was living in Israel?

● John 11:9 . . Jesus answered: are there not twelve hours in the day? A man who walks by day will not stumble, for he sees by this world's light.

Days divided into twelve equal periods of sunlight were regulated by what's known as temporal hours; which vary in length in accordance with the time of year. There are times of the year at Jerusalem's latitude when days on earth consist of less than 12 normal hours of daylight, and sometimes more; but when Jesus was here; the official number of hours was always twelve regardless.

I don't exactly know why the Jews of that era divided their days into twelve equal periods of sunlight regardless of the seasons, but I suspect it was just a convenient way to operate the government and conduct civil affairs; including the Temple's activities (e.g. the daily morning and evening sacrifices)

● John 2:19 . . Jesus answered and said to them: Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up.

In order to avoid confusion; I highly recommend working with the 12-hour day that Jesus Christ gave us in his statement at John 11:9, i.e. let Day be daytime and let Night be nighttime; viz: Days are when the sun is up, and Nights are when the sun is down.

So, the three days and three nights of Jonah 1:17, Matt 12:40, John 2:19-22 indicate three times when the sun was up, and three times when the sun was down.

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