What is your take/definition of a - soul?
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ttruscott
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ImCo,
all those created in the image of GOD, ie, able to become a perfect Bride for HIM, were created as spirits, non -corporeal people. When a spirit is sown into the earth to give life to a body, it is called a soul, an embodied spirit.
The English word "soul" comes from the Old English* sáwol (or sawol), which appeared in the 8th century and referred to the "life, spirit, or being" of a person.
The word "spirit" originates from the Latin word spiritus, meaning "breath, breathing," or "wind". This Latin root, from the Proto-Indo-European root (s)peis-, evolved to include concepts of "soul," "courage," and "life". The word entered Middle English via Old French and eventually came to refer to the divine, supernatural, and the essence of life...
all those created in the image of GOD, ie, able to become a perfect Bride for HIM, were created as spirits, non -corporeal people. When a spirit is sown into the earth to give life to a body, it is called a soul, an embodied spirit.
The English word "soul" comes from the Old English* sáwol (or sawol), which appeared in the 8th century and referred to the "life, spirit, or being" of a person.
The word "spirit" originates from the Latin word spiritus, meaning "breath, breathing," or "wind". This Latin root, from the Proto-Indo-European root (s)peis-, evolved to include concepts of "soul," "courage," and "life". The word entered Middle English via Old French and eventually came to refer to the divine, supernatural, and the essence of life...
Perfect match to my thoughts which are: male/female were created first as invisible spirits in Genesis 1. They existed within the ONE living Spiritual God but had not yet been manifested visually. I suggest: Most things were invisible until God called forth light and began creating celestial bodies such as stars and our sun and moon.
Love your definition ... Once again fits my ideas. Two unique spirits male/ female ... are to become a person with one body.
Yes, God is life and he imparts the breath of life in measures to whatever he chooses. I happen to believe that male female already had a measure of life given them and when God breathed into the body he had formed ... then humanity became a person with their body.
One slight difference I see between your ideas and mine is that I don't distinguish between life and spirit. Our spiritual God is life ... all life comes from him. The verb breathing implies he has a way to share his spiritual life with creatures he is creating.
I have to run now ... taking grand daughter to swim practice. Look forward to discussing these ideas so far about the soul.
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ttruscott
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Ahhhh.... breathing implies a body to me. Do angels breath in heaven or just on earth? We know they can breath as they sing on earth sometimes.
Well, I don't know if what I am about to write applies to angels. I'm not much up on studying angels. Yet I think it will apply to mankind and God; so, here goes:
I consider a lot about symbolism when I read. Although I do take the Bible literally I still think there are deeper things to be see if we figure out the keys. One quick example was when I began to consider what it meant by Adams body being form from the ground. I asked What is group and what are other terms that could be used to describe it. I came up with - ground is made up of specific elements within our world; so, when God cursed those elements it brought death into the bodies of humanity. Not instant for God said we would partake of those cursed elements for the rest of our lives. So far that has held true.
So, what do I think about a breath? Well, a breath is made up of wind certain particulates and moisture! pondering in this manner caused me to remember that Our Lord Jesus breathe the Holy Spirit upon his chosen disciples and apostles. What happened ... what difference did that make?
I began to piece symbolic references together.
1.) WATER:
I learned from the woman at the well event that Jesus was talking about his having additional water to give her where she would never thirst again ... and then concluded that this additional measure of moisture/water he had would giver her immortality.
Finally concluding: THAT original BREATH given unto mankind on the 7th day already had something alive within it. What was that LIFE? My Ans: God was actually imparting the two living persons called male and female into that created body. HE had already created male and female within HIMSELF. No one was there to see them for like God they were invisible but in HIM and with HIM. They already had a measure of life while still within HIS Spiritual Essence. It was they who were imparted into a visible body with THAT original BREATH.
But that's not all.
2.) WIND:
Jesus taught that being born of the Spirit is like this: The wind bloweth where it listeth and thou hearest the sound there of, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. Well, that means born again believers can't see the Spirit of God which enters in us but we are able to hear from The unseen SPIRIT OF God. Now, if we consider that male and female were born the first time by God imparting THAT BREATH, which was wind and moisture ... then it was God's Spiritual power that imparted the living essence unto that first body.
But a breath is more than wind and water. There are particulates within it.
3.) Particulates: So far I have covered Power and measures of Life in THAT BREATH ... but the particulates could be other things God was giving male and female as they went from spiritual beings into visible earthly bound creatures. These may have been abilities we would soon need ... like the conditions for seeing and hearing ... what ever functions. Of course, I'm guess here for I have not found a symbolic reference yet in the NT. But Jesus did show how he formed eyeballs for a man who had had not functioning eyeball since birth. That showed me there had to be links made between ones brain and the appropriate body part before he could see. Jesus proved he was God the Creator just by forming the man some eyeballs and then allowing him to see. BTW, This alone proved Jesus was God. Watch: Jesus used the ground (particular elements of creation) and formed eyeballs. Plus he used his own spital (moisture of life from God) unto those eyes.
But I think you will find this last point interesting: God caused moisture (a measure of life) to come upon the ground (certain elements of creation) before he formed the body of Adam out of those elements. God gave the body its own measure of life!!! separate from the already living spiritual male and female. Humans were not a completed soul until Spiritual life was imparted into bodily life. This is why Jesus compared the WATER (H2O) which the woman needed as a mortal to sustain her bodily life ... with the additional water (life) he had to offer her. The life in her body would one day die due to the curse upon the ground (those elements from which it had come) and it would return to dust (elements of her body with no life).
From this study and another place I also learned how God gives things of himself in measures. I have concluded man was not a soul until the parts were put together ... The living spiritual essence of male and female added to a the living body. spirit +body = living soul.
I hope this was not too long or uninteresting. Some say I write too much.
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Second post for you.
Yes, I agree with you again.
But I'd say. A body enables a created spiritual being to breathe.
We can all read how it was THE LORD God who breathed into mankind. Only after his ability and use did Adam breathe.
Now do angels breathe oxygen like we do? I have no idea, but when mankind was established with a body he was able to breathe.
I think seeking for the real truths about the term soul is a key to understanding some revelations about the identity of The LORD who worked on the 7th Day of creation. As well as enlightenment regarding The Christ. But that is another topic on this thread ... so far.
Idolater
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Hindus believe in the soul, they just also believe in reincarnation. The Church believes in the resurrection of the body and life everlasting. We are not the same
ttruscott
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...or perhaps we all can only speak to our own predetermined experience: reprobate followers of false gods do indeed reincarnate but the legitimate children of the One True GOD never experience reincarnation but only resurrection and the heavenly marriage.
Otherwise the greater vast majority of humans of every generation are unsaved and lost while only a tiny minority of Jews and the Christians in these last 2000 years are called, chosen and redeemed.
They claim to experience reincarnation so why not? It is not untold billions of people left to die without faith but only a finite number who repeat their faithless lives, over and over, condemned already.
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Got any evidence to support that claim?
No, they don't.
Everyone is resurrected and then comes the judgment.
Ref: see the first resurrection in Rev 20
You have made a good point in your response to Idolater regarding what happens to the soul of a believer:
"...legitimate children of the One True GOD never experience reincarnation but only resurrection and the heavenly marriage."
I would add two points regarding the soul of mankind: legitimate children of the One True GOD never experience reincarnation but only resurrection of their soul in stages.
Stage one ... the separation of the living spirit of mankind from the mortal body. One might compare it to an act like circumcision. The cursed flesh being removed.
Stage two ... Our spirits will be given a body (a robe of white) awaiting them in heavenly places provided for us. It was these already saved saints and especially the martyred saints in heaven who cried out, "How long must we wait?" Just how there are living souls still existing in a horrible place in a horrible condition mostly called Hell. Remember how the rich man cried out for water for he greatly thirsted. Makes me think he was wanting the life Christ had to give but he did not get. A living spiritual being lacking eternal life.
Stage three: Ultimately things regarding God's plan will come to an end ... and that is when I figure the bodies of the saints are resurrected from the cursed ground and will be like our new glorified clothes /bodies. Our ultimate heavenly image. For the body we have now is wearing out like an old garment.
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There will be many that never experience such a "stage" at the catching away.
1Thess 4:17 (AKJV/PCE)
(4:17) Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Are you a JW or an SDA?