keypurr
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Not so, I just do not trust the memory of men and the translators of scripture.
So I tend to prove all things and hold what is good. I do not follow the fables on men.
What is the express image of God?
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Not so, I just do not trust the memory of men and the translators of scripture.
So I tend to prove all things and hold what is good. I do not follow the fables on men.
keypurr
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What is the express image of God?
There are conflicts in scripture friend. We just went through that. The book of Acts tells us that Jesus got the power of Christ at his anointing. Jesus was not born with Christ in him.
It is you who does not read the words of Jesus Christ in John 17:3. And you who does not understand John 1.
YHWH is the only true God.
"Hear, O Israel: YHWH our Elohim is One YHWH.). deut 6:4
There is only one true Elohim (God), YHWH (the FATHER).
Your traditional understanding is flawed friend.
You are in no position to point the finger at any one.
There are conflicts in scripture friend. We just went through that. The book of Acts tells us that Jesus got the power of Christ at his anointing. Jesus was not born with Christ in him.
It is you who does not read the words of Jesus Christ in John 17:3. And you who does not understand John 1.
YHWH is the only true God.
"Hear, O Israel: YHWH our Elohim is One YHWH.). deut 6:4
There is only one true Elohim (God), YHWH (the FATHER).
Your traditional understanding is flawed friend.
You are in no position to point the finger at any one.
lifeisgood
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No conflicts in the Bible at all, keypurr, only for those who chose to create the conflicts.
You do realize that Deut. 6:4 is a plural verse right?
keypurr
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Do you need more verses to tell you that there is only one God?
There are conflicts caused by the human factor in translating. That is why there are so many trsnslations.
truthjourney
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That's a good question and I was wondering the same thing.
I was also wondering if any had this belief in the past. I did some research. Valentinus was a Gnostic teacher of the second century. He contended that Christ descended on Jesus at his baptism.
"Valentinus contended that Christ descended on Jesus at his baptism but left him before his death on the cross. To counter this teaching, Irenaeus (a disciple of Polycarp, who was a disciple of the apostle John) wrote the treatise Against Heresies. He writes, “The Gospel… knew no other son of man but Him who was of Mary, who also suffered; and no Christ who flew away from Jesus before the passion; but Him who was born… as Jesus Christ the Son of God, and that this same suffered and rose again.” Irenaeus also quoted from the Gospel of John that “Jesus is the Christ” (John 20:31) in an effort to counter the Gnostic claim that the Jesus and the Christ were “formed of two different substances.”
http://searchingthescriptures.net/main_pages/articles/gnosticism_jesus.htm
The Christology of the Gnostics accordingly assumed one of two types. "One class of early Gnostics separated the spiritual being Christ from the man Jesus; they supposed that the Christ entered Jesus at the time of His baptism, and left Him at the moment of His crucifixion. Thus the Christ was neither born as a man nor suffered as a man...
http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Def.show/RTD/ISBE/ID/3837/Gnosticism.htm
keypurr
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Jesus is the BODY prepared for Christ. Heb 10:5.
Jesus became the Christ as Christ became flesh.
truthjourney
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I think we both know that Jesus is more than a body.
You are speaking of Jesus and Christ as two different substances. There's a difference between becoming Christ and the idea of having Christ enter Jesus at his baptism. I believe that Jesus is the Christ.
Matt. 3:16But when Yeshua was baptized, at once he came up from the water, and Heaven was opened unto him, and he saw The Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming upon him. 17And behold a voice from Heaven that said, "This is my Son, The Beloved, in whom I am delighted."
John 20:31But these things are also written that you may believe that Yeshua is The Messiah(the Christ), the Son of God, and when you believe, you shall have eternal life in his name.
Sadly you are wasting your time addressing keypurr. He is apostate and incapable of seeing truth from scripture. He has been making the same arguments for at least 4 years now on here. He WON'T change. Save your energy for someone who will.
truthjourney
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I don't consider discussion with keypurr as a waste of time.
keypurr
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I see Jesus as a man, flesh, and I see Christ as a spirit for he is the express image of the Father. I believe that Christ came with the fullness of the Father to dwell in Jesus. They became one as Christ became flesh. This all happened with the Dove. There is no question in my mind that Jesus is the Messiah, the Christ of God.
We seem to think alike on this. Christ spoke and acted through Jesus. Christ is the Son that God sent, not Jesus.
keypurr
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You say that only because your not understanding my words Stan. If you were more involved in the words in scripture you might start asking yourself questions like I did. I have seen the light that is in the book of Hebrews. You fail to go beyond what you have been taught.
keypurr
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keypurr
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Hi Ps82, long time no see. Hope things are fine with you. I still see truth friend but come back and talk more I like debating with you too.
You should...he has been doing this for years and NEVER recognizes or sees the truth. Even Jesus refused to debate the Pharisees.
God is beyond expression and images. The Jews knew this, for they were not allowed to write down or pronounce the Name of the Lord.
Our rational, logical world since the Enlightenment of the 1700s has left us with literalism and God is robbed of his richness and majesty.
Our rational, logical world since the Enlightenment of the 1700s has left us with literalism and God is robbed of his richness and majesty.
keypurr
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Your joking, the Pharisees were afraid to debate him.
j4jesus09
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I don't know what to think. These are tough areas to know without study and discussion. Can God our Father been seen in the spiritual realm would be my first question. Then I can go from there on some of my thoughts.
keypurr
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Yes they are very deep to study friend. I have been studying for about seventy years. It was four years ago I was blessed to see the words that I passed over all though years. The words "express image" hit me hard. God is a spirit so his express image has to be a spirit also. Not only that because he is an image he is a creation. For all images are creations. In the study I found that this image was given the fullness of the father. That makes it a created deity or form of God. This image is the spiritual son of God. CHRIST, not Jesus. God needed to provide a body for Christ to become flesh. Hebrews 10:5 tells you that. Jesus is that body.
I could go on but you need to see for yourself what the spirit has given me to share.
Christ, not Jesus, is also used in the new age philosophies.