We're not fighting a Holy War, but they are...

[Jefferson]

We're not fighting a Holy War, but they are...

Tuesday November 16th, 2004. This is show #229.

BEST QUOTE OF THE SHOW:

We have to realize that there is a religious doctrine that's being taught that it's an obligation of Muslims to kill Jews and Christians if they stand in the way of a Muslim state.

. . . If America is evil then we're being hypocrites because we were founded with Jesus Christ as "our Lord." Whereas if Iraq or Afganistan are slaughtering Jews or Christians, people who disagree with the Koran, are they being hypocrites to the Koran? No, they're upholding the Koran.

 

[Granite]

So where does that leave us?

 

[BillyBob]

The Victors!

 

[Granite]

Apparently.

I'm sorry, I don't recall any founding document of the U.S. proclaiming that Jesus was Lord...

 

[Zakath]

Bush called the "war on terrorism" a "crusade" in a 2001 public speech.

Isn't a "crusade" roughly equivalent to the Christian version of the Muslim "jihad"? :think:

 

[Granite]

Originally posted by Zakath

Bush called the "war on terrorism" a "crusade" in a 2001 public speech.

Isn't a "crusade" roughly equivalent to the Christian version of the Muslim "jihad"? :think:

Funny, that...isn't there an old quip pointing out that no one ever went onto a battlefield in the name of Satan?

 

[Zakath]

Originally posted by granite1010

Funny, that...isn't there an old quip pointing out that no one ever went onto a battlefield in the name of Satan?

Never heard that one, but it would make sense...

 

[billwald]

It leaves us two options. Kill every Moslem or corrupt them with consumer goods, freedom, booze, TV, jeans . . . .

 

[Lighthouse]

Booze isn't corruptible.

 

[Turbo]

Originally posted by billwald

It leaves us two options. Kill every Moslem or corrupt them with consumer goods, freedom, booze, TV, jeans . . . .

Is that how the apostles dealt with unbelievers, billwald?

 

[billwald]

We've been using the Apostle's technique for 2000 years with only marginal success.

The Apostles didn't deal with people who think the most Godly think they can do is to kill women and children.

 

[Jefferson]

Originally posted by granite1010
I'm sorry, I don't recall any founding document of the U.S. proclaiming that Jesus was Lord...

From the constitution:

ARTICLE SEVEN

The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the
Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.

Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present
the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one
thousand seven hundred and eighty seven and of the Independence of the
United States of America

 

[NavyDude]

Originally posted by granite1010

Funny, that...isn't there an old quip pointing out that no one ever went onto a battlefield in the name of Satan?

I find it funny that all the great injustices of the world have always been done int he name of a good cause.

The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand
“The 'common good' of a collective—a race, a class, a state—was the claim and justification of every tyranny ever established over men. Every major horror of history was committed in the name of an altruistic motive. Has any act of selfishness ever equaled the carnage perpetrated by disciples of altruism? Does the fault lie in men's hypocrisy or in the nature of the principle? The most dreadful butchers were the most sincere. They believed in the perfect society reached through the guillotine and the firing squad. Nobody questioned their right to murder since they were murdering for an altruistic purpose. It was accepted that man must be sacrificed for other men. Actors change, but the course of the tragedy remains the same. A humanitarion who starts with declarations of love for mankind and ends with a sea of blood. It goes on and will go on so long as men believe that an action is good if it is unselfish. That permits the altruist to act and forces his victims to bear it. The leaders of collectivist movements ask nothing for themselves. But observe the results.
“The only good which men can do to one another and the only statement of their proper relationship is—Hands off!
“Now observe the results of a society built on the principle of individualism. This, our country. The noblest country in the history of men. The country of greatest achievement, greatest prosperity, greatest freedom. This country was not based on selfless service, sacrifice, renunciation or any precept of altruism. It was based on a man's right to the pursuit of happiness. His own happiness. Not anyone else's. A private, personal, selfish motive. Look at the results. Look into your own conscience.”

 

[Granite]

Originally posted by Jefferson

From the constitution:

...which is, of course, a document written by many a deist, using a colloquialism to describe the year. Hardly an endorsement of Jesus, by name, and certainly not enough to say this nation was founded as a "Christian" one.

Anyway, back to the subject, suppose we ARE fighting a "holy war." What's the solution, next step, etc.?

 

[Jefferson]

Originally posted by granite1010

...which is, of course, a document written by many a deist, using a colloquialism to describe the year. Hardly an endorsement of Jesus, by name, and certainly not enough to say this nation was founded as a "Christian" one.

They had the option of simply writing "1787" but instead they deliberately went out of their way and wrote the words "the year of our Lord."

Anyway, back to the subject, suppose we ARE fighting a "holy war." What's the solution, next step, etc.?

See the next quote below.

 

[Jefferson]

SECOND BEST QUOTE OF THE SHOW:

The enemy is fighting a holy war and we have to meet that challenge head on and not be in denial about it. And so as we preach the gospel we have to realize that the gospel is one of the most powerful weapons we have against Islamic terrorism. . . . You have to go after the idiology, the religion, the belief in Mohammed as a prophet of Allah when Mohammed is a mass murderer, rapist, child molester who killed a higher percentage of Jews within his reach than Adolph Hitler did.

 

[Frank Ernest]

If "in the year of our Lord" was such an innocuous phrase, why have the apeolutionaries tried so hard to remove BC and AD from the literature? I believe the replacement euphemisms are BCE (before the common era) and ACE (after the common era).

OH! Almost forgot. Most of those "deists" involved with the founding documents were practicing Christians.

 

[Frank Ernest]

History For The Incredulous

History For The Incredulous

Zak:
"Isn't a "crusade" roughly equivalent to the Christian version of the Muslim "jihad"? "

FrankiE:
No. I suppose the atheistocrats have dog-eared the pages of their "revised" history books so much they actually believe that.

 

[Zakath]

Originally posted by billwald

We've been using the Apostle's technique for 2000 years with only marginal success.

The Apostles didn't deal with people who think the most Godly think they can do is to kill women and children.

According to the OT, wasn't that the attitude adopted by the Apostles' ancestors after the Exodus...

 

[Zakath]

Re: History For The Incredulous

Re: History For The Incredulous

Originally posted by Frank Ernest

Zak:
"Isn't a "crusade" roughly equivalent to the Christian version of the Muslim "jihad"? "

FrankiE:
No. I suppose the atheistocrats have dog-eared the pages of their "revised" history books so much they actually believe that.

All you need do is look up the definitions in dictionaries, Frankie...