ECT We are not Israel, but the Body of Christ
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elohiym
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No. I'll converse with Danoh or the OP, but that's it. I have limited time to spend here.
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Way to dodge the issue.
A "new creature" is synonymous with "born again".
Peter and Paul preached the same thing:
(1 Peter 1:23 KJV) Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
(1 Cor 15:53 KJV) For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
Hi and just what Kingdom are you talking about ?
#1 , Talking about the Kingdom of Heaven
#2 , Talking about the Kingdom of His Dear Son
#3 Or the Kingdom of God
#4 , Or the Kingdom of Israel
#5, Or the Everlasting Kingdom
dan p
Mark M
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Yes, there's more than one kingdom
There's only one kingdom of God.
Jesus preached it:
(Acts 1:3 KJV) To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
Paul preached it:
(Acts 28:28 KJV) Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.
Hi and explain this one TET , in Matt 4:17 , where you are REPENT ( IS THIS YOU TET ) for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand !!
Which HAND is Jesus talking about , LEFT or RIGHT HAND ??
Just so you know the Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of God are used Inter-changeably in the book of Matthew !!:hammer::hammer:
dan p
Said before the New Covenant was made, and said before 70AD
You Darby Followers want us to believe that "at hand" means over 2,000 years.
Yes, I know. That's because there is only one kingdom.
However, some of your fellow Darby Followers claim "the kingdom of heaven" and "the kingdom of God" are two different things.
Hi and at HAND at hand in the nation of Israel , BUT Israel rejected their MESSIAH , you remember that don't you ?
So when will you see that Jesus and Peter practiced Judaism in Gal 2:14 !!
I see to things mentioned here JEWAISM and Gentiles or at least 2 Gospels !!
When are you going to change and Practice JUDAISM since you follow Peter !!:chuckle::chuckle:
dan p
beloved57
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The Physical Israel, Abrahams children according to the flesh, are not the Children of God Rom 9:8 !
Interplanner
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Everything by heir in the last post is confused or mistaken. Where shall we start?
There is a replacement problem dealt with by Paul in Gal 3:17. It goes the other way. Typically, modern theology has this backwards as well.
heir
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A high priest has a priesthood and that is clearly Israel. Paul never uses the term to describe members of the Body of Christ. Get over it.
heir
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Paul does not preach that we have replaced Israel. He recognizes their future
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Romans 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
And in keeping with the OP, we can see from the above that the timing of atonement for Israel is future, whereas ours in the Body of Christ is now.
Romans 5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
Do you see any other differences?
Once again,you have no idea what you are talking about.
The Levite preisthood, from the family of Aaron, ended at the cross.
(Heb 7:11 KJV) If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
We now have a new priesthood.
(Heb 7:12 KJV) For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Paul called them Saints.
(Col 1:26 KJV) Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Who are the Saints?
(Dan 7:18 KJV) But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
Are you a Saint?
Quit following Darby and Bullinger, and start believing what the Bible says.
Wow, Craigie, the unemployed sodomite-you stumped everybody again.
Members laugh at you, punk.
Quit following Hank Hanegraaf, copynpasting/plagiazing his "work," and why don't you get out of that slum, you live in, head on down to the unemployment office, and look for a job, instead of watching soap operas all week, and listening to "The UnBiblical Answer Man" radio "show?
Don't you believe Paul, spineless one? You taught us that.
1 Timothy 5:8 KJV
But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
Well, infidel?
Coming from the habitual liar, who was caught lying, asserting that the law was "nailed to the cross....abolished at the cross..," then admitted the law continued after the cross, and admitted(allegedly) that the law led him(and others) to Christ.
You satanic slug.
Interplanner
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Paul's quote of Isaiah is clearly historical/completed. If there's something future about certain people in Israel it is their finding out this is already completed. That's why "saved" in the quotes is not about the land or the theocracy. It is about justification--the taking away of sins. If Isaiah says it was future, and Paul was in Isaiah's future saying it has come about, guess when it happened and why it is written in future tense?
The "now" in Rom 5 is not a Gentile now (while Jews wait for a future atonement). Total 2P2P nonsense. Or have you also deleted Galatians, Colossians and Hebrews from your NT--just to be consistent?
You need to read Gal 3:17 closely. It is implied that there is a replacement, a voiding, a canceling there. It was what Judaism did when the Law came along. It was never intended. The Gospel was intended all along, which was preached to Abraham and before him in the promise to the Seed. Judaism did replacement in its theology and that is what Galatians clears up.
The modern 'replacement theology' problem exists artificially, and 'protects' 2P2P, which is not in the NT.
All throughout the history of the nation of Israel it was ALWAYS a small number of Jews who believed, worshipped and were saved in Jehovah. Today is exactly the same. Darby, Schafer, Schofield and Ryrie are the purest scholars of the bible but it is Fruchtenbaum who studied under Ryrie who studied under Schafer who studied under Schofield that completed dispensational systematic theology. Ryrie has conceded that although the dispensational teachers of the past had correctly interpreted Israel past and Israel future they left Israel present blank.
According to Ryrie, Dr Fruchtenbaum has surpassed them all. His doctrinal thesis from NYU became the 1200 page book Israelology the Missing Link in Systematic Theology.
Anyone besides Ryrie read it here on TOL?
According to Ryrie, Dr Fruchtenbaum has surpassed them all. His doctrinal thesis from NYU became the 1200 page book Israelology the Missing Link in Systematic Theology.
Anyone besides Ryrie read it here on TOL?