Ukraine and the new Al Qaeda

Gary K

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The CIA trained, armed, and funded the Nazi Azov Battalion to fight Russia. Using Nazis to fight Russia has been standard CIA practice since the end of WW2.

 

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Arthur Brain

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Who was it who really bombed the Mariupol theater?

It was Russia. Duh.
 

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It was Russia. Duh.
Yeah. Nazi's are well known as great humanitarians. rather than being a bunch of murderous thugs.... They would never kill their own citizens for an attempted political gain. Never happened in the history of mankind. :rolleyes:

Do you even begin to think about your replies?
 

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Yeah. Nazi's are well known as great humanitarians. rather than being a bunch of murderous thugs.... They would never kill their own citizens for an attempted political gain. Never happened in the history of mankind.
You seem to be forgetting that Putin is the aggressor here, not Ukraine. Putin ordered this military invasion of Ukraine, not the other way around. Putin is following Hitler's playbook by invading Ukraine and then blaming them for it.
 

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Russia in general, and its military in particular, will be crippled for decades to come due to Putin's disasterous invasion of Ukraine:

Ukraine's military says they have “eliminated” another Russian colonel, adding to a long list of high-ranking Russian military personnel wiped out in Putin’s war against Ukraine. The Ukrainian Armed Forces announced on Tuesday that Colonel Denis Kurilo, the commander of the 200th separate motorized rifle brigade, was killed outside Kharkiv.

Kurilo’s reported death, on the 34th day of the Kremlin’s “special operation,” comes after at least seven Russian generals were killed in Ukraine, according to both Ukrainian and Western officials. t also comes as the Ukrainian military announced several territorial gains, with the northeastern town of Trostyanets liberated from Russian troops and several areas outside Kyiv reported back in the hands of Ukraine. The military said territories in the Chernihiv region were also liberated.

 

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You seem to be forgetting that Putin is the aggressor here, not Ukraine. Putin ordered this military invasion of Ukraine, not the other way around. Putin is following Hitler's playbook by invading Ukraine and then blaming them for it.
And you ignore the fact that the Ukranian government under Zelensky made the Azov Battalion a legal pert of the Ukrainian army. That's right. That great humanitarian Zelensky incorporated Nazis into the power structure of Ukraine. And the Azov Battallon has been shelling and murdering ethnic Russians for years in the Donbas region.
 

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And you ignore the fact that the Ukranian government under Zelensky made the Azov Battalion a legal pert of the Ukrainian army. That's right. That great humanitarian Zelensky incorporated Nazis into the power structure of Ukraine. And the Azov Battallon has been shelling and murdering ethnic Russians for years in the Donbas region.
Assuming that what you say is true, Putin should have invaded the Donbas region only and waged war against the Azov Battalion, but that is not what he did. Putin is either mentally ill or a complete fool.
 

Gary K

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Russia in general, and its military in particular, will be crippled for decades to come due to Putin's disasterous invasion of Ukraine:

Ukraine's military says they have “eliminated” another Russian colonel, adding to a long list of high-ranking Russian military personnel wiped out in Putin’s war against Ukraine. The Ukrainian Armed Forces announced on Tuesday that Colonel Denis Kurilo, the commander of the 200th separate motorized rifle brigade, was killed outside Kharkiv.

Kurilo’s reported death, on the 34th day of the Kremlin’s “special operation,” comes after at least seven Russian generals were killed in Ukraine, according to both Ukrainian and Western officials. t also comes as the Ukrainian military announced several territorial gains, with the northeastern town of Trostyanets liberated from Russian troops and several areas outside Kyiv reported back in the hands of Ukraine. The military said territories in the Chernihiv region were also liberated.

So you actually believe all the propaganda. You believe that the Russians are so stupid, and militarily so incompetent, that they place their top military leadership in harms way on the front line of battle. It's ludicrous on it's face but you believe it wholeheartedly. :rolleyes:

No army does that. That's why common soldiers are referred to as cannon fodder. ***shakes head in disbelief.***
 

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Assuming that what you say is true, Putin should have invaded the Donbas region only and waged war against the Azov Battalion, but that is not what he did. Putin is either mentally ill or a complete fool.
You think the only place in Ukraine that the Azov Battalion exists is right there? It's been made a part of the army.

One of Putin's stated goals is the de-nazification of Ukraine. That should not be an undesirable goal in anyone's mind. Your basic assumption has to be that everything Putin says has to be a lie and that his opponents are all angels who would never lie. You live in never never land.
 

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You think the only place in Ukraine that the Azov Battalion exists is right there? It's been made a part of the army.
"Donbas region," remember?

One of Putin's stated goals is the de-nazification of Ukraine. That should not be an undesirable goal in anyone's mind.
If Putin's goal is "de-Nazification" then he should start in his own backyard:

russia/

You live in never never land.
You are never never land.
 

Arthur Brain

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Yeah. Nazi's are well known as great humanitarians. rather than being a bunch of murderous thugs.... They would never kill their own citizens for an attempted political gain. Never happened in the history of mankind. :rolleyes:

Do you even begin to think about your replies?
Oh, the irony...

Given that you get your "news" from varying wingnut & bat crazy sources it's little wonder you buy into any given conspiracy theory going.
 

Arthur Brain

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So you actually believe all the propaganda. You believe that the Russians are so stupid, and militarily so incompetent, that they place their top military leadership in harms way on the front line of battle. It's ludicrous on it's face but you believe it wholeheartedly. :rolleyes:

No army does that. That's why common soldiers are referred to as cannon fodder. ***shakes head in disbelief.***
Then you're woefully ignorant of the incompetence of Russia where it comes to fighting wars. There's a history of such failure. Why do you suppose that the military might of Russia hasn't forced Ukraine into complete submission after more than a month? How come?

The reason why several top ranking generals have died is because they've been relying on mobile phone communications that have been easily intercepted by Ukrainian intelligence and made them prime fodder as targets. Reason? Their radios didn't work properly, like their tanks and other equipment in a shoddy state of disrepair etc.

Get a grip.
 

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Then you're woefully ignorant of the incompetence of Russia where it comes to fighting wars. There's a history of such failure. Why do you suppose that the military might of Russia hasn't forced Ukraine into complete submission after more than a month? How come?

The reason why several top ranking generals have died is because they've been relying on mobile phone communications that have been easily intercepted by Ukrainian intelligence and made them prime fodder as targets. Reason? Their radios didn't work properly, like their tanks and other equipment in a shoddy state of disrepair etc.

Get a grip.
Yeah, the Russian military had weaponry like hypersonic missiles years ahead of the US but their military was just woefully out of date. Yup.
 
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