Trump's Iran "Deal"

[annabenedetti]

Short excerpt from long read:

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The U.S. Loses Its War Against Iran​

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There’s a lot to unpack in the U.S.-Iran memorandum of understanding, and almost all of it is bad. Read on, if you dare.​

Trump’s Defeat​

The U.S.-Israeli war against Iran, which began with little warning on February 28, ended with the American president signing a memorandum of understanding with the Iranians in Versailles, France — ironically, the site of the signing of the treaty that ended World War I. (I don’t know if you guys are history buffs or not, but that treaty didn’t work out so well.)​

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The terms of the memorandum of understanding are not quite an across-the-board surrender on the part of the United States, but they’re close. I suppose you can’t call it a wholesale surrender, in part because the U.S. government is paying retail prices in its concessions.​

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The Iranian regime gets to stay in power and receive a whole host of dispensations from the United States, and the U.S. gets little or nothing, and access to the Persian Gulf is now effectively controlled by Iran. . . .​

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As we have seen with this administration, repeatedly, personnel is policy. When you select an idiot to run the Department of Homeland Security, you get bad results at DHS. When you select someone with behavioral issues to run the Department of Labor, you get one embarrassing scandal after another. When you select a yes-woman who overpromises and underdelivers, you get a mess at the Department of Justice.​

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And when you select a Manhattan real estate guy who sees previous foreign policy experience as a liability to negotiate with the Iranian mullahs, you end up losing your shirt.​

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None of this spares the president any blame; after all, Trump’s the one who entrusted Witkoff with this duty, and Trump’s signature is the one on the memorandum. But when you have an administration thoroughly permeated by the philosophy that knowing a lot about a subject — or consulting those who do know a lot — is a weakness and a liability, you cannot be surprised when endeavors like a war against Iran go terribly awry and leave the United States in a weaker position than when it started.​

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By taking the Persian Gulf hostage, and with it, the world economy, Iran effectively won the war.​

 

[Idolater]

Short excerpt from long read:

​

The U.S. Loses Its War Against Iran​

​

There’s a lot to unpack in the U.S.-Iran memorandum of understanding, and almost all of it is bad. Read on, if you dare.​

Trump’s Defeat​

The U.S.-Israeli war against Iran, which began with little warning on February 28, ended with the American president signing a memorandum of understanding with the Iranians in Versailles, France — ironically, the site of the signing of the treaty that ended World War I. (I don’t know if you guys are history buffs or not, but that treaty didn’t work out so well.)​

​

The terms of the memorandum of understanding are not quite an across-the-board surrender on the part of the United States, but they’re close. I suppose you can’t call it a wholesale surrender, in part because the U.S. government is paying retail prices in its concessions.​

​

The Iranian regime gets to stay in power and receive a whole host of dispensations from the United States, and the U.S. gets little or nothing, and access to the Persian Gulf is now effectively controlled by Iran. . . .​

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As we have seen with this administration, repeatedly, personnel is policy. When you select an idiot to run the Department of Homeland Security, you get bad results at DHS. When you select someone with behavioral issues to run the Department of Labor, you get one embarrassing scandal after another. When you select a yes-woman who overpromises and underdelivers, you get a mess at the Department of Justice.​

​

And when you select a Manhattan real estate guy who sees previous foreign policy experience as a liability to negotiate with the Iranian mullahs, you end up losing your shirt.​

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None of this spares the president any blame; after all, Trump’s the one who entrusted Witkoff with this duty, and Trump’s signature is the one on the memorandum. But when you have an administration thoroughly permeated by the philosophy that knowing a lot about a subject — or consulting those who do know a lot — is a weakness and a liability, you cannot be surprised when endeavors like a war against Iran go terribly awry and leave the United States in a weaker position than when it started.​

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By taking the Persian Gulf hostage, and with it, the world economy, Iran effectively won the war.​

It was not commonly known before President Trump's joint action with Israel against Iran, how easy it is for Iran to defend the Strait. It would take an occupation of Iran to dislodge them. Trump for almost 10 years has been saying the rest of the West needs to pony up much more defense spending, and it's because we have enemies who are right in the heart of the global economy who have no moral business being there. If we're going to spread peace and harmony and welfare for everybody, and we're going to do it through economic policies rather than morally motivated invasions and impositions and occupations, then what are we supposed to do with Iran? whose strategic position is oh so easy to defend? and who would require an occupying force to dislodge them from that position? and who would asap launch a nuke at Israel as soon as they can? The problem of Iran is dire, if we're going to have peace through economic treaties and cooperation. Iran won't have that. They will level Israel as soon as they can. This is not a reasonable party. But their position is so strategically superior re the Strait, that we must agree to their terms.

 

[VladtheDestroyer]

There is no war in Iran nor in the USA. We are basically just bombing Iran whenever we want to and they are doing nothing to us (as far as that is concerned, it is as it should be).

 

[Nick M]

Obama gave him a few billion dollars on pallets, which they immediately used (minus his kickback) to work on weapons including nukes. Part of this deal is they have to dismantle the weapons they didn't make. Barry essentially paid a bribe to do evil. If it was an incentive not to do it, that might actually sit ok with many.

 

[Arthur Brain]

One reason I don't use the conservative label much is many are not on the right. They also are blocking the voter ID act. Everything you know is wrong, silly faggot.

These are hardly liberals who are appalled by this MOU whether you like it or not. Your yardstick for being a conservative is subjective at best.

 

[Arthur Brain]

The funny part to which I relate, Trump is both a Nazi and a Jew puppet according to those on the left.

He's neither, rather, he's a completely incompetent buffoon who can't even keep track of his own words from month to month. Back in May he claimed that the renovations to the reflecting pool were impervious to vandalism and yet now he's prosecuting people for causing vandalism to it, sans any actual evidence to back those claims up of course. Trouble is, it's all on record...

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As for his war with Iran, poll figures suggest that it hasn't gone down too well with Americans overall and why on earth would it?

What Americans Think of the U.S.-Iran Deal, According to Polls

A majority of Americans don’t think the war with Iran was worth the costs or that the preliminary agreement is better for the U.S. than Iran.

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[annabenedetti]

He's neither, rather, he's a completely incompetent buffoon who can't even keep track of his own words from month to month. Back in May he claimed that the renovations to the reflecting pool were impervious to vandalism and yet now he's prosecuting people for causing vandalism to it, sans any actual evidence to back those claims up of course. Trouble is, it's all on record...

MSN

As for his war with Iran, poll figures suggest that it hasn't gone down too well with Americans overall and why on earth would it?

What Americans Think of the U.S.-Iran Deal, According to Polls

A majority of Americans don’t think the war with Iran was worth the costs or that the preliminary agreement is better for the U.S. than Iran.

uk.news.yahoo.com

That swampy mess is the perfect metaphor for Trump and his regime. And his tenuous grip on reality.

Christopher Webb (@cwebbonline.com)

TRUMP THEN: If you had a knife, you can't even cut the Reflecting Pool. TRUMP NOW: We have vandalism… I think 290, 300 foot slit right through, and probably a box cutter, or a knife of some kind.

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[Arthur Brain]

That swampy mess is the perfect metaphor for Trump and his regime. And his tenuous grip on reality.

Christopher Webb (@cwebbonline.com)

TRUMP THEN: If you had a knife, you can't even cut the Reflecting Pool. TRUMP NOW: We have vandalism… I think 290, 300 foot slit right through, and probably a box cutter, or a knife of some kind.

bsky.app

Outgoing GOP senator Thom Tillis summarised things pretty aptly:

"I don't know, what's worse to you: vandalizing a pool or assaulting a police officer?" Tillis said on Tuesday, according to The Hill. "Now we got somebody, let's say they took a pen knife to a damn pool liner, you're going to prosecute them for 10 years?"

"And you've let people that admitted to assaulting a police officer go and think I can take that person seriously? Nuh-uh,"

GOP Senator Mocks Trump’s Reflecting Pool Renovations: ‘What Freaking Parallel Universe Did I Just Wake Up In?’

"What’s worse to you: vandalizing a pool or assaulting a police officer?" North Carolina Sen. Thom Tillis asked, contrasting Trump's demands for arrests at the Reflecting Pool with his pardons of Jan....

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His views on the MOU aren't positive either...

On the Iran deal, Tillis confirmed what Obama, Pence, and a former NATO ambassador have all said: it's a disaster. "We're back to pre-JCPOA relief on oil sanctions," he said. "I think they're stringing them along." Then he laid out the brutal cost: "Estimated $100 BILLION spent today, 13 service members lost their lives. Over 360 people have been injured. If all we do is get back to the JCPOA, that would be an absolute CATASTROPHE."

 

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[Arthur Brain]

Well, if he can't keep track of his words from month to month, then he's hardly likely to recall them from years ago.

Thankfully though, they're all on record still. Darned shame that...