Trump’s Venezuela Fiasco

drbrumley

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Trump’s Venezuela Fiasco
Written by Ron Paul
Monday January 28, 2019


Last week President Trump announced that the United States would no longer recognize Nicholas Maduro as president of Venezuela and would recognize the head of its national assembly, Jose Guaido, as president instead. US thus openly backs regime change. But what has long been a dream of the neocons may well turn out to be a nightmare for President Trump.

Why did Trump declare that the Venezuelan president was no longer the president? According to the State Department, the Administration was acting to help enforce the Venezuelan constitution. If only they were so eager to enforce our own Constitution!

It’s ironic that a president who has spent the first two years in office fighting charges that a foreign country meddled in the US elections would turn around and not only meddle in foreign elections but actually demand the right to name a foreign country’s president! How would we react if the Chinese and Russians decided that President Trump was not upholding the US Constitution and recognized Speaker Nancy Pelosi as US president instead?

Even those who would like to see a change of government in Venezuela should reject any notion that the change must be “helped” by the United States. According to press reports, Vice President Mike Pence was so involved in internal Venezuelan affairs that he actually urged Guaido to name himself president and promised US support. This is not only foolish, it is very dangerous. A Venezuelan civil war would result in mass death and even more economic misery!

Regime change has long been US policy for Venezuela. The US has been conducting economic warfare practically since Maduro’s predecessor, Hugo Chavez, was first elected in 1998. The goal of US sanctions and other economic measures against Venezuela (and other countries in Washington’s crosshairs) is to make life so miserable for average citizens that they rise up and overthrow their leaders. But of course once they do so they must replace those leaders with someone approved by Washington. Remember after the “Arab Spring” in Egypt when the people did rise up and overthrow their leader, but they then elected the “wrong” candidate. The army moved in and deposed the elected president and replaced him with a Washington-approved politician. Then-Secretary of State John Kerry called it “restoring democracy.”

It is tragically comical that President Trump has named convicted criminal Elliot Abrams as his point person to “restore democracy” in Venezuela. Abrams played a key role in the Iran-Contra affair and went on to be one of the chief architects of the disastrous US invasion of Iraq in 2003. His role in helping promote the horrible violence in Latin America in the 1980s should disqualify him from ever holding public office again.

Instead of this ham-fisted coup d’etat, a better policy for Venezuela these past 20 years would have been engagement and trade. If we truly believe in the superiority of a free market system we must also believe that we can only lead by example, not by forcing our system on others.

Just four months ago President Trump said at the UN: “I honor the right of every nation in this room to pursue its own customs, beliefs, and traditions. The United States will not tell you how to live or work or worship. We only ask that you honor our sovereignty in return.” Sadly it seems that these were merely empty words. We know from Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc. that this will not end well for President Trump. Or for the United States. We must leave Venezuela alone!
 

ok doser

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We must leave Venezuela alone!

it's not just that they have something we want

it's that they have something we fear - the ability to influence world petroleum markets

a single decision by maduro has the potential to shut down alberta and send the canadian economy into a tailspin

stuff like that
 

drbrumley

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it's not just that they have something we want

it's that they have something we fear - the ability to influence world petroleum markets

a single decision by maduro has the potential to shut down alberta and send the canadian economy into a tailspin

stuff like that

I understand what your saying, I really do. there's even more to it than that.

But guess what, life will continue....
 

glorydaz

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So would I, BUT......we would still have a President Pelosi, perish the thought..makes me ill just thinking about it.

It seems like Russia's threats in this hemisphere have something to do with it. Plus, the people who will come to our country for sanctuary. I don't know, but Russia having such a foothold in Venezuela is a scary thought, too.
 

ok doser

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I understand what your saying, I really do. there's even more to it than that.

But guess what, life will continue....


we'll see a stream of economically broken canadians rushing the border, desperate to get to american where there are jobs

we'll have to build a northern wall :eek:



and get mexico to pay for it! :banana:
 

ok doser

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It seems like Russia's threats in this hemisphere have something to do with it. Plus, the people who will come to our country for sanctuary. I don't know, but Russia having such a foothold in Venezuela is a scary thought, too.

there's a strong expectation that the saudis could make the Venezuelan reserves less meaningful by ramping up exploration, that the extent of unexplored territory in Saudi Arabia is likely to reveal vast reserves dwarfing those in Venezuela

and that's not taking into consideration the expected potential reserves in the arctic, once global warming occurs

if it ever occurs

still, any increase in crude makes exploration in those marginal regions more likely, regardless of the conditions
 

drbrumley

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we'll see a stream of economically broken canadians rushing the border, desperate to get to american where there are jobs

We are broke....flat broke....it's not good when you borrow from China to pay interest on what China has already loaned you. Canadians shouldn't want to come here. Leaving one broke socialist country for another....this economy isn't as rosy as our beloved President makes it sound.


we'll have to build a northern wall :eek:



and get mexico to pay for it! :banana:

Now that was good....:chuckle:
 

jgarden

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Trump’s Venezuela Fiasco

The Russians hacked the DNC servers, attempting to influence the 2016 Presidential Election and this President says nothing and ignored the need to make cyber-security a nationa1 priority!

Now he refuses to recognize the Venezuelan President because he feels the election because of "irregularities!"

The Venezuelan election may have very well been rigged but so was the one that elected Putin in whose country Trump wants to build a hotel!
 

jgarden

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we'll see a stream of economically broken canadians rushing the border, desperate to get to american where there are jobs

we'll have to build a northern wall :eek:
and get mexico to pay for it! :banana:

Social Progress Index 2018

The Social Progress Index (SPI) measures the extent to which countries provide for the social and environmental needs of their citizens. Fifty-four indicators in the areas of basic human needs, foundations of well-being, and opportunity to progress show the relative performance of nations ..... The SPI measures the well-being of a society by observing social and environmental outcomes directly rather than the economic factors. The social and environmental factors include wellness (including health, shelter and sanitation), equality, inclusion, sustainability and personal freedom and safety.

Country / Rank / Score
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Norway 1 90.26
Iceland 2 90.24
Switzerland 3 89.97
Denmark 4 89.96
Finland 5 89.77
Japan 6 89.74
Netherlands 7 89.34
Luxembourg 8 89.27
Germany 9 89.21
New Zealand 10 89.12
Sweden 11 88.99
Ireland 12 88.82
United Kingdom 13 88.74
Canada 14 88.62
Australia 15 88.32
France 16 87.88
Belgium 17 87.39
South Korea 18 87.13
Spain 19 87.11
Austria 20 86.76
Italy 21 86.04
Slovenia 22 85.50
Singapore 23 85.42
Portugal 24 85.36
United States 25 84

Mexico 58

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Progress_Index

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Given that the average Canadian (14th) enjoys a higher standard of living than their American counterparts (25th), "rushing the border" would be the last thing on their minds!
 
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ok doser

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Given that the average Canadian enjoys a higher standard of living than their American counterparts...

largely because of all the wealth generated by exploiting the tar sands :banana:

so it looks like jgarden is in favor of one of the dirtiest forms of energy extraction out there

who knew? :idunno:
 

jgarden

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largely because of all the wealth generated by exploiting the tar sands :banana:

so it looks like jgarden is in favor of one of the dirtiest forms of energy extraction out there

who knew? :idunno:

Given that the price of oil has been depressed for the last several years, the 35 million people in Canada are not all dependent on 1 product!

In fact, it estimates that building a pipeline to the Pacific coast will reduce Canada's dependency on the US and increase its value on the world market by $80 million a day!
 

ok doser

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Given that the price of oil has been depressed for the last several years, the 35 million people in Canada are not all dependent on 1 product!

In fact, it estimates that building a pipeline to the Pacific coast will reduce Canada's dependency on the US and increase its value on the world market by $80 million a day!

in other words, you're cheering on the tar sands development

don't be shy - it's ok to support global warming - you're among friends here
 

fool

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it's not just that they have something we want

it's that they have something we fear - the ability to influence world petroleum markets

a single decision by maduro has the potential to shut down alberta and send the canadian economy into a tailspin

stuff like that

There's, um, "ways" that can be prevented from happening.
 

ok doser

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much of venezualea's reserves are similar deposits - energy-inefficient to extract, they'd have to be subsidized (by the russians?) in order to work - kind of like Chinese steel
 

jgarden

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in other words, you're cheering on the tar sands development

don't be shy - it's ok to support global warming - you're among friends here
"ok doser" has a history of making unsubstantiated claims and then introducing one "rabbit hole" after another to avoid addressing subjects that don't support his conservative agenda!
 
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fool

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much of venezualea's reserves are similar deposits - energy-inefficient to extract, they'd have to be subsidized (by the russians?) in order to work - kind of like Chinese steel

What if I told you we had a thing that can make other things a long way away disappear.
Like, BOOM, it's gone.
 
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