The Gospel is a past historical event that was brought about by the doing and the dying of Jesus on behalf of fallen man.
Your Gospel was brought about by a heretic in the 1500's.
To Reject the "Historical Gospel" of Jesus Christ is to Reject Christ
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The Gospel is a past historical event that was brought about by the doing and the dying of Jesus on behalf of fallen man.
Your Gospel was brought about by a heretic in the 1500's.
beloved57
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You don't believe the Gospel!
Not your false Gospel. I don't think that anyone else on the Forum except for Nanja believes your phony Gospel.
beloved57
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TULIP truths are the Gospel!
What is going to send you to hell is the "L" in TULIP.
Jesus claims to be the savior of the whole world, John 12:47.
To say that he is NOT is to profess that you don't have faith in his atoning work.
That's the truth.
I'll pray for you to get saved.
beloved57
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The prayer of unbelievers who reject the Gospel are a abomination to God!
So God doesn't listen to yours huh. By the way God is sovereign and can do anything he wants.
PureX
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"To Reject the "Historical Gospel" of Jesus Christ is to Reject Christ"
No it's not. Because Christ is not a religious dogma. Christ is the spirit of God's love, forgiveness, kindness and generosity that exists in all human beings because we are reflections of the God that created us. We can either embrace that aspect of ourselves, or deny it, and we can do so regardless of our religious beliefs.
Christianity transcends religion. And it's very sad that so many self-proclaiming Christians don't understand that.
No it's not. Because Christ is not a religious dogma. Christ is the spirit of God's love, forgiveness, kindness and generosity that exists in all human beings because we are reflections of the God that created us. We can either embrace that aspect of ourselves, or deny it, and we can do so regardless of our religious beliefs.
Christianity transcends religion. And it's very sad that so many self-proclaiming Christians don't understand that.
beloved57
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How can a unsaved person who doesn't believe the Gospel pray for someone to get saved?
beloved57
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Invalid comments not supported by scripture!
PureX
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And yet, supported by reality, which is of course far more accurate and broader in scope than "scripture".
See, when you stop worshipping scripture, it frees you up to actually worship God, which is everywhere.
beloved57
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Nothing you said is supported by scripture!
Interplanner
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Which? God is a person. So you should have said "who" or did you mean to make him out to be a cosmic energy?
Besides being a person, He also came in the form of the man-God Christ because a perfect life and a divine sacrifice was necessary to atone for sin. This is less a matter of 'worshipping' Scripture than it is just paying attention to what it says.
PureX
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By most definitions, "God" is omnipresent. Which is a condition that is somewhat beyond our grasp, but that would include being both within us, around us, and in all things and places known and unknown to us. So to insist on referring to God as a "who", would be somewhat misleading. And in fact, to perceive of God as "cosmic energy" might actually be a little more in keeping with the ideal. Though ultimately, however we conceive of God, our conceptions will be short of the truth.
That's part of the human religion that has sprung up in response to the revelation that an omnipresent God exists within us and not just apart from us as had always previously been assumed. The story of Jesus life and death is how that revelation has been conveyed to succeeding generations, but it's also become tied to a powerful organized religion, that uses it to promote and maintain it's own power and influence. And that has altered and reinterpreted the story many times over the centuries for that purpose.
So what I'm talking about is the original revelation, that is available to us all, through the reality of our own lives; as opposed to the religious dogma that has been altered, controlled, and used to promote and maintain a cult-like religious authority. And if you can't recognize the difference, then you may well have fallen under the spell of the religion, to the point of being blinded to the reality of Christ.
Many have.
Interplanner
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But pantheism is not a solution either.
The events of Christ were not "written" at first at all. He is the Word of God, so the first meaning of the Word of God is a person who does things.
In the months after it all took place, the accounts were preserved orally in an actual human language (Aramaic). This went on for about 2 years, and the material is often referred to as the source or 'quelle' in German scholarship. Then Mark is the first written material, very terse, amateur, working-class, short. Matthew is next, but now you have a person who does bookkeeping for Roman administration but is also Jewish. It is more polished and technical.
Then Luke, a doctor, who became a Christian through Paul, goes back to day one, to friends of two pregnant ladies to find out what happened. So now there are three accounts pretty similar in structure but very detailed. Luke grew up writing in Greek so his material is way more advanced than Matthew's. Greek was the 'English' of the day.
God directed John to make a 4th and there are some episodes that overlap exactly, but there is also a completely different starting point: the higher meaning, not the first pregnancy or the last wild, hard-bitten prophet John the Baptizer. John the apostle does that higher meaning thing a lot, like during the final supper which goes on 10x longer than the other accounts.
I've given you some background detail so that you can see that the NT not only is not pantheist, but was careful with details of the life of Christ because that life was the Word of God before there were 'documents.'
There are so many unfortunate steps between that life and those people later who enforced a crude code through cruder swords that they are almost not worth mentioning. It would be like talking about apples (the fruit) and ending up on Apples the computers.
God was in Christ, straightening out the debt of man's sins, and not imputing that debt to them if they believe on Christ, 2 Cor 5.
There will be a judgment of individuals.
In the judgment you will either be found "In Christ" or you will be found outside of Christ.
You cannot reject the work of Christ and be saved.
Interplanner
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There isn't any other Jesus. God was in Christ, reconciling the debt of mankind's sins. He loved us and gave himself up for us.