ECT They Will Not Receive Thy Testimony: Acts 22: 17-21

jamie

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It would be through the tribe of Judah that the royal line culminating with the King of Kings would be a descendant of, not the tribe of Ephraim or Manasseh.

Would be as opposed to now.

Who is the current monarch of the United Kingdom?

Who is the current monarch of Canada, Australia, New Zealand?

Why ignore the proof of the pudding?
 

jamie

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In fact Isaac ended up choosing to bless Esau, and only through Jacob's deceptive trickery did Isaac unknowingly choose Jacob over Esau.

Are you saying Jacob's deceptive trickery fooled God?

Are you saying God doesn't know the end from the beginning?
 

jamie

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In fact Isaac ended up choosing to bless Esau, and only through Jacob's deceptive trickery did Isaac unknowingly choose Jacob over Esau.

Isaac did bless Esau:

"Then Isaac his father answered and said to him,
Behold, away from the fertility of the earth shall be your dwelling,
And away from the dew of heaven from above.
By your sword you shall live,
And your brother you shall serve;
But it shall come about when you become restless,
That you will break his yoke from your neck." (Genesis 27:39-40 NASB)
 

jamie

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One of God's commandments is to honor parents.

Jacob obeyed his mom with regard to the birthright.
 

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And between Gen 35 and Gen 48, when Jacob gives Reuben's birthright to the sons of Joseph, there is not a word about GOD revealing to Jacob whom he should give that birthright to.

Jacob was a prophet directed by the Spirit of Christ.
 

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Would be as opposed to now.

Who is the current monarch of the United Kingdom?

Who is the current monarch of Canada, Australia, New Zealand?

Why ignore the proof of the pudding?
Current?
Who was the first monarch of the United Kingdom?
 

Tambora

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How long was Judah a colonial power?
Genesis 49 KJV
(10) The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.



Doesn't look like Israel was supposed to be expecting a ruler of the tribe of Ephraim or Manasseh to gather the people and rule.
 

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Are you saying Jacob's deceptive trickery fooled God?
Nope.
But Jacob sure fooled his father, Isaac.
In Isaac's heart, he thought he was blessing Esau, as he intended to do.
 

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It is a little interesting that England, the U.S., Canada, Australia, and New Zealand - all English speaking nations - embraced dispensationalism to some extent, while there were other nations, which were mostly caucasian but not English speaking, that did not go for dispensationalism - nations of Europe and Russia especially, because Russia since the early nineties has returned to its Russian orthodox form of Christianity and much of Europe with some exceptions in the East, such as Poland, is now involved in "Cultural Enrichment" in bringing in hordes of Islamics and is losing its Christian base
 

Tambora

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One of God's commandments is to honor parents.

Jacob obeyed his mom with regard to the birthright.
Scripture also tells us that if one does not hate his parents, he cannot be a follower of Christ.
And scripture also tells us to obey GOD over man.

It was through the tribe of Judah that the world superpower ruler of the world would arise, not through Ephraim or Manasseh.

I don't know why you would jump to the conclusion that "being a multitude of nations" means being a world superpower ruler from a tribe other than the one specified to become the dominant ruler of the world, Judah.
 

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Jacob was a prophet directed by the Spirit of Christ.
Being a prophet did not mean that one knew everything GOD was planning.
Otherwise there would have been no reason for any of them to go to GOD and ask what they should do.
Isaac also prophesied, but he still didn't know that he was suppose to bless Jacob over Esau, and have every intention of blessing Esau over Jacob.
 

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It is a little interesting that England, the U.S., Canada, Australia, and New Zealand - all English speaking nations - embraced dispensationalism to some extent, while there were other nations, which were mostly caucasian but not English speaking, that did not go for dispensationalism - nations of Europe and Russia especially, because Russia since the early nineties has returned to its Russian orthodox form of Christianity and much of Europe with some exceptions in the East, such as Poland, is now involved in "Cultural Enrichment" in bringing in hordes of Islamics and is losing its Christian base

A "rebuke" of your above, northwye - "with longsuffering and doctrine" you will distort into your false charge of "Dialectic!!!" in your willful ignorance.

Some years ago, a well known Evangelist whom I had personally known (he has since gone home to be with the Lord) went on a Missionary trip throughout various parts of Europe, as part of a training of some North Americans whom he had been training in Evangelism, who had asked he go to Europe with them to attempt to personally share the gospel of Christ in the various cities and villages they were each from.

They basically went over those areas in that part of the world that the Apostle Paul had gone over, during his own Evangelism efforts, all those centuries ago.

When they got returned, their report was not bleaker than bleak, and then some.

Everywhere he'd accompanied them to, he'd found a high proportion of atheism, and alcoholism.

What little "Christianity" he did find was either a remnant either of the RCC's and the Eastern Orthodox's works for salvation, or that of a few Jehovah's Witnesses and old school Pentecostals, here and there.

The following by the Apostle Paul, had been in light of that...

2 Timothy 1:13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 1:14 That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us. 1:15 This thou knowest, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me; of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes.

He was describing a rapidly expanding spiritual cancer those same parts of the world were experiencing way back then.

2 Timothy 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

"Christian" base, you say, northwye?

As usual, you display you haven't a clue what you speak of.

Put your fool books away, and get in THE Book.

Try this (never mind the "Dispensational version" of it)...

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

Your version of that being your obvious ignorance of the so called "Christianity" that later arose in those parts of the world to replace the FINISHED work of Christ ALONE with the works based salvation of the RCC and the Eastern Orthodox.

I'm sorry, northwye, but this time, you have truly earned yourself a...

:doh: and then some.

Thank God for Rom. 5:8.
 

jamie

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Who was the first monarch of the United Kingdom?

"EGBERT 827 – 839
Egbert (Ecgherht) was the first monarch to establish a stable and extensive rule over all of Anglo-Saxon England. After returning from exile at the court of Charlemagne in 802, he regained his kingdom of Wessex. Following his conquest of Mercia in 827, he controlled all of England south of the Humber. After further victories in Northumberland and North Wales, he is recognised by the title Bretwalda (Anglo-Saxon, “ruler of the British”. A year before he died aged almost 70, he defeated a combined force of Danes and Cornish at Hingston Down in Cornwall. He is buried at Winchester in Hampshire."

http://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/KingsQueensofBritain/
 

jamie

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Not with the blessing he intended to give Esau when Jacob tricked him.

"But his mother said to him, 'Let your curse be on me, my son; only obey my voice and go get them for me. And he went and got them and brought them to his mother, and his mother made savory food such as his father loved.'" (Genesis 27:13-14)

Jacob did as he was told.
 
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