It could say... "whosoever" that does not believe in Jesus is going to hell, and then after they have gone to hell they would no longer be "whosoever's". They would be people in hell.
The Word "WHOSOEVER" Refutes Calvinism, All Religions
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It could say... "whosoever" that does not believe in Jesus is going to hell, and then after they have gone to hell they would no longer be "whosoever's". They would be people in hell.
beloved57
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You believe in the gospel of freewill!
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1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
(4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
Leviticus 22:18 KJV
Speak unto Aaron, and to his sons, and unto all the children of Israel, and say unto them, Whatsoever he be of the house of Israel, or of the strangers in Israel, that will offer his oblation for all his vows, and for all his freewill offerings, which they will offer unto the Lord for a burnt offering;
Numbers 15:3 KJV
and will make an offering by fire unto the Lord, a burnt offering, or a sacrifice in performing a vow, or in a freewill offering, or in your solemn feasts, to make a sweet savour unto the Lord, of the herd, or of the flock:
Ezra 3:5 KJV
and afterward offered the continual burnt offering, both of the new moons, and of all the set feasts of the Lord that were consecrated, and of every one that willingly offered a freewill offering unto the Lord.
Ezra 7:16 KJV
and all the silver and gold that thou canst find in all the province of Babylon, with the freewill offering of the people, and of the priests, offering willingly for the house of their God which is in Jerusalem:
Calvinist/Clavinists: You don't understand Calvinism....That was the Old Testament..It really does not mean that....You see, uh, urr................
Speak unto Aaron, and to his sons, and unto all the children of Israel, and say unto them, Whatsoever he be of the house of Israel, or of the strangers in Israel, that will offer his oblation for all his vows, and for all his freewill offerings, which they will offer unto the Lord for a burnt offering;
Numbers 15:3 KJV
and will make an offering by fire unto the Lord, a burnt offering, or a sacrifice in performing a vow, or in a freewill offering, or in your solemn feasts, to make a sweet savour unto the Lord, of the herd, or of the flock:
Ezra 3:5 KJV
and afterward offered the continual burnt offering, both of the new moons, and of all the set feasts of the Lord that were consecrated, and of every one that willingly offered a freewill offering unto the Lord.
Ezra 7:16 KJV
and all the silver and gold that thou canst find in all the province of Babylon, with the freewill offering of the people, and of the priests, offering willingly for the house of their God which is in Jerusalem:
Calvinist/Clavinists: You don't understand Calvinism....That was the Old Testament..It really does not mean that....You see, uh, urr................
nikolai_42
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1. That doesn't change the fact that there are those who believe and those who don't. The word "whosoever" cannot stand alone (unlike the word "everyone" which can - though it doesn't have to).
2. It couldn't say what you said, anyway (even assuming the universalist implication you assign the word) because Jesus goes on to expand on the thought :
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:16-18
Jesus says that those that don't believe are ALREADY condemned. Those that do believe are not condemned. So, whosever believes (and only those that believe) are what Jesus is talking about in John 3:16.
beloved57
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Those scriptures don't say God gave men a freewill.
Yes they do. but, since you are not one of "the elect," you cannot understand that they do, per 2 Cor. 4:4 KJV, 1 Cor. 2:14 KJV, or your Calvinist fake "god" is an idiot, like you, for even including the freewill references in the book.
Prove that you are one of "the elect."
Not a peep.
beloved57
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Yes they do.
Prove that you are one of "the elect."
Not a peep.Thus, you are wrong, not being able to understand the verses/bible.
Poor you.
Get saved.
beloved57
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Yes they do-you are not even remotely able to understand the bible, since you are not one of "the elect," as you have admitted on TOL.
Fun!
Get saved.
beloved57
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john w is just one of the many Christians on this Forum that believes you are unsaved.
beloved57
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Like I care. Both of you teach salvation by works, the gospel of freewill!
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The Gospel is free will. All that believe in Jesus by their own free will, will be saved.
"Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.
Is that not free will? Surely you cannot be so spiritually blind that you cannot see that?
Yes they do.
Prove that you are one of "the elect."
Not a peep.Thus, you are wrong, not being able to understand the verses/bible.
Poor you.
Get saved, you admitted child of the devil..
beloved57
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You and your freewill saviour. Thats why u teach that sinners Christ shed His blood for still wind up lost !
beloved57
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No they dont. Also show me a scripture that says prove that your an elect ?
Yes they do.
Check.
No, no misdirection, create a moving target, as that is not how it works, as you are marching to my orders, bedeviled one, as I stay on topic, your "argument." Prove that you are one of "the elect."
You won't, explaining why you cannot understand the book, the verse(s), in question, per 2 Cor. 4:4 KJV, 1 Cor. 2:14 KJV.
Get saved, un-elect one.
beloved57
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Also show me a scripture that says prove that your an elect ?