The Truth About Pentecostalism and Subjective Religions

Robert Pate

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The devils purpose in religions is to lead us away from the glorious Gospel of Jesus Christ and into ourselves, who are sinners. All religions, whether it be Pentecostalism, Calvinism, Catholicism or whatever religion is to cause us to worship the creature instead of the creator.

All religions have one thing incommon, they are all founded by a man and are man centered which makes them subjective. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is about Jesus Christ. It is not subjective. The Gospel took place totally and completely outside of us. We had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with it. Paul said, "While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us" Romans 5:8. Before we were ever born God in the person of Jesus Christ had already reconciled us and the world unto himself by Jesus Christ, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.

Those that belong to these subjective religions do nothing but talk about their religions. They do not talk about Christ and his Gospel. The Pentecostal talks about his subjective experiences. The Calvinist talks about his glorious doctrine of predestination. The Catholics love to talk about Mary and the Catholic church. You can be sure of one thing, it will be about them and their religion. Jesus said, "Where you treasure is, there will your heart be also" Matthew 6:21.

Pentecostalism came about because of an event. The event was Pentecost. God drew thousands of people to Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost so that they could hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It was not about the Holy Spirit. It was about the Gospel coming into the world in the power of the Holy Spirit. Pentecostals get side tracked here because they think that it was about the Spirit. It was NOT about the Spirit (who does not speak of himself, John 16:13) it was about Jesus Christ and his Gospel. The Gospel that Justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.

God used many various methods to get the Gospel of his Son out into the world. Tongues was one of them, which was foreign languages. Many heard the Gospel message in their own native tongue, Acts 2:11. And what was it they heard? They spoke about "the wonderful works of God" which is the Gospel. The apostles were given power to perform miracles. They would do a miracle and when a crowd appeared they would preach the Gospel to them as proof that their message was from God.

What happened after that miraculous event on the day of Pentecost? Did the apostles go into Jerusalem and talk about what they had experienced? The fiery tongues, the mighty wind, how they were all filled with the Spirit. No, they didn't say anything about that. They had a far greater message than that. They had the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The scripture says that they went everywhere preaching the resurrection of Jesus Christ. The once lowly disciples became powerful preachers of the Gospel, Acts 4:13-22.
 

jamie

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God drew thousands of people to Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost so that they could hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Not true. The day of Pentecost was the fiftieth day from the wave sheaf presentation and was a commanded assembly for Hebrew men who were able to make the journey to Jerusalem. Jews came from locations throughout the Roman empire. They were not there to hear about Jesus from the tiny town of Nazareth, they were there because of God's religion given to them through Moses at Mt. Sinai in the Arabian desert.
 

csuguy

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The devils purpose in religions is to lead us away from the glorious Gospel of Jesus Christ and into ourselves, who are sinners. All religions, whether it be Pentecostalism, Calvinism, Catholicism or whatever religion is to cause us to worship the creature instead of the creator.

Wrong.

James 1:26-27 If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not [ab]bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless. 27 Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained [ac]by the world.
 

patrick jane

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It was not about the Holy Spirit. It was about the Gospel coming into the world in the power of the Holy Spirit. Pentecostals get side tracked here because they think that it was about the Spirit. It was NOT about the Spirit (who does not speak of himself, John 16:13) it was about Jesus Christ and his Gospel. The Gospel that Justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5and reconciles us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.




Great post Robert, they got sidetracked
 

patrick jane

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Wrong.

James 1:26-27 If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not [ab]bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless. 27 Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained [ac]by the world.
How many do you know that visit orphans and widows ?
 

Nick M

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To expound a bit on Pate's comment, they act like it is about them and the Spirit giving them special power like he did Israel for a specific purpose.
 

csuguy

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How many do you know that visit orphans and widows ?

Some, but not many - which is to be expected. It is the narrow path afterall, most people - including most self-proclaimed Christians - do not live according to Christianity. They chase after the things of this world.
 

Robert Pate

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Wrong.

James 1:26-27 If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not [ab]bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless. 27 Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained [ac]by the world.

There is good religion and there is bad religion.

Good religion is work that is done out of love and gratitude for what Christ has done for us.

Bad religion is the religion of the Pharisees. It is work that is done to try and please God. It is full of arrogance and pride. The only one that can please God is Jesus Christ.
 

csuguy

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There is good religion and there is bad religion.

Good religion is work that is done out of love and gratitude for what Christ has done for us.

Bad religion is the religion of the Pharisees. It is work that is done to try and please God. It is full of arrogance and pride. The only one that can please God is Jesus Christ.

Seriously? Religion that tries to please God is bad? :AMR:

I guess you aren't a fan of the Greatest Commandment then?
 

Robert Pate

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Seriously? Religion that tries to please God is bad? :AMR:

I guess you aren't a fan of the Greatest Commandment then?

Can sinners please God?

If you believe that sinners can please God, then you probably think that God is a sinner like you.

Have you not noticed that God is not present?

The only one that ever pleased God was Jesus Christ. We can only become pleasing to God by being "In Christ". God must see us "In Christ" in the judgment or we will perish.

To be "In Christ" means that you are trusting in his righteousness and in his atonement for your sins, plus nothing else.
 

Nick M

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Religion that tries to please God is bad?

Yes.

Romans 4

3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.


The qualifier Paul uses, and so does James, is not while circumcised.
 

Robert Pate

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Yes.

Romans 4

3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.


The qualifier Paul uses, and so does James, is not while circumcised.


What's worse than trying to please God by your works is to think that you actually can.

The only thing that pleases God is faith in his Son Jesus Christ, plus nothing, Romans 4:5.
 

jamie

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The only one that can please God is Jesus Christ.

Why do you so consistently contradict Paul?

Finally then, brethren, we urge and exhort in the Lord Jesus that you should abound more and more just as you received from us how you ought to walk and to please God for you know what commandments we gave you through the Lord Jesus. (1 Thessalonians 4:1-2)​
 

csuguy

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Yes.

Romans 4

3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.


The qualifier Paul uses, and so does James, is not while circumcised.

As James 2 teaches, faith apart from works is dead. Faith means nothing if it is not acted upon. Like the man who ignored Christ's words and built on the sand - you will be swept away and destroyed if you fail to act according to his teachings. To abandon good deeds is to abandon the faith in any meaningful sense of the word. Hence Christ says that only the one who does the will of the Lord shall be saved; that you must give your life to save it.

Furthermore, Paul teaches in Romans 2 that eternal life is the reward for good deeds.
 

csuguy

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What's worse than trying to please God by your works is to think that you actually can.

The only thing that pleases God is faith in his Son Jesus Christ, plus nothing, Romans 4:5.

So your "gospel" is to ignore what God commands - because you think it's impossible to please him? If I've ever heard a heresy - this is it.
 

csuguy

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Can sinners please God?

If you believe that sinners can please God, then you probably think that God is a sinner like you.

Have you not noticed that God is not present?

The only one that ever pleased God was Jesus Christ. We can only become pleasing to God by being "In Christ". God must see us "In Christ" in the judgment or we will perish.

To be "In Christ" means that you are trusting in his righteousness and in his atonement for your sins, plus nothing else.

One cannot please God when they sin, but we are not bound to do nothing but sin. We have freewill to choose to do what is right and good. And when we do good, when we act in accordance with his will - we do please him.

Additionally, God guarantees that there is always an escape from sin for us:

1 Cor 10:13 No temptation has overtaken you but such as is common to man; and God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will provide the way of escape also, so that you will be able to endure it.​
 

Nick M

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As James 2 teaches, faith apart from works is dead.

You will get no debate from me on that point. James does say works justifies and makes faith perfect.

Galatians 2

7 But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter
 

Robert Pate

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One cannot please God when they sin, but we are not bound to do nothing but sin. We have freewill to choose to do what is right and good. And when we do good, when we act in accordance with his will - we do please him.

Additionally, God guarantees that there is always an escape from sin for us:

1 Cor 10:13 No temptation has overtaken you but such as is common to man; and God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will provide the way of escape also, so that you will be able to endure it.​


There are only two places that you can be spiritually.

1. You can be "In Christ".

2. You can be in your flesh.

To be spiritually in your flesh means that you are under condemnation, Romans 8:1.

If God does not see you "In Christ" then he will see you in the flesh.

So, where are you?
 
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