The Trinity

[lifeisgood]

Please do not misunderstand me, I am not attacking you for speaking obedience to Christ, for obedience is how we love God with all of our heart, body, mind, and strength. Moreover, it is our reasonable service because he saved us. Obedience to Christ was and never will be the issue. What I am trying to point out to you is that our obedience is not the source of our faith and salvation. Our obedience is not what sustains our spiritual life in that salvation: it is Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ alone who is the source of both our salvation and life.

gt believes and preaches that a UNbeliever has to OBEY TO BE SAVED.

 

[Nihilo]

@popsthebuilder

@popsthebuilder

It says in scripture that He gave up the Ghost, and the veil of the temple was wrent in twain which I understand to mean torn in two. So do I think the physical body of Jesus died? Yes.

Jesus died. "He is risen," is the Gospel. The Gospel saves from the body of this death in Romans 7:24 (KJV).

Do I think the Spirit that dwelled in Him and utterly filled Him died? No.

A man was nailed to a cross and hung on it until he died, his lifeless body was placed in a tomb, and on the third day, he rose from the dead. Do you believe those words? That's what I mean by the RESURRECTION, and that's what's meant in every New Testament reference, of and to God raising Him from the dead.

What i was going on about is that the second coming of Christ could too be seen as the resurrection of Christ.

Another homonym then. They're like landmines.




Sent away twice and it returned thrice

 

[God's Truth]

Jesus died. "He is risen," is the Gospel. The Gospel saves from the body of this death in Romans 7:24 (KJV).
A man was nailed to a cross and hung on it until he died, his lifeless body was placed in a tomb, and on the third day, he rose from the dead. Do you believe those words? That's what I mean by the RESURRECTION, and that's what's meant in every New Testament reference, of and to God raising Him from the dead.
Another homonym then. They're like landmines.




Sent away twice and it returned thrice

Jesus died in the flesh and then in his Spirit he went to prison/hell and preached the gospel there. Then he raised his body from the dead.

 

[God's Truth]

gt believes and preaches that a UNbeliever has to OBEY TO BE SAVED.

Believers and unbelievers have to obey to get saved.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Jesus died. "He is risen," is the Gospel. The Gospel saves from the body of this death in Romans 7:24 (KJV).
A man was nailed to a cross and hung on it until he died, his lifeless body was placed in a tomb, and on the third day, he rose from the dead. Do you believe those words? That's what I mean by the RESURRECTION, and that's what's meant in every New Testament reference, of and to God raising Him from the dead.
Another homonym then. They're like landmines.




Sent away twice and it returned thrice

I believe in the resurrection.

Did you forget that those who aren't against Christ are for Him? Why must I believe as you do as long as I do believe?

Three days..... To the Lord?

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[God's Truth]

I am afraid to even go down this road with you, so I will not right now.

I don't think you know that is why you do not talk about it.

Tell me how you think you can obey God's Word without him first giving you the life to do so?

Did you obey anything your parents, teachers, boss, the law says?

 

[lifeisgood]

Believers and unbelievers have to obey to get saved.

Already saved believers can obey the orders received from the Holy Spirit that is one of the reasons Christ Jesus said He was going to send the Comforter. (John 14:16; John 16:8; John 14:26)

UNbeliever CANNOT OBEY not even TO BE SAVED.

 

[God's Truth]

Already saved believers can obey the orders received from the Holy Spirit that is one of the reasons Christ Jesus said He was going to send the Comforter. (John 14:16; John 16:8; John 14:26)

hahahaha The Comforter is to comfort those who obey.

 

[Nihilo]

That user account is an inanimate thing, not capable of any level of intellect. Each account refers to, and is controlled by a person. You shouldn't call them dumb. It isn't so odd how many deny even the simplest of commands, or their validity. It seems to generally be those same ones that think Jesus the Christ came and taught and performed miracles and sacrificed himself so they could continue in knowing sin as if He did nothing for them.

What business is that of yours. Are you the pope? No. You're not a pastor, not of anyone, least of all anyone on this site TOL, you're here as a user account like the rest of the user accounts here. (I'm calling you out right now Holy Father Pope Francis, you rascally Jesuit you, reveal yourself to the rest of us Christians that you are all of ours pastor. That's why popes wear white all the time, that's why the cardinals and bishops dress very distinctively, publicly. It's always very easy to see who the pastors are, because of how they dress, because of how they present themselves visually to other people, so any Catholic pastors who might be operating user accounts here, ought to reveal themselves, so if you are a Catholic pastor Pops, then do tell us the truth.)

. . . Otherwise, you're just a user account. We can't tell who or what maneuvers the user accounts here, everything's digital, so their source could be digital/robotic. And speaking of which, sometimes humans act like robots, if you're looking at them from just the right angle in space, and sometimes user accounts have strange nuances in their message/agenda. If you use a mirror and shine a laser right back from where it came, maybe you can grab the attention of the person or people operating the laser and they'll stop being so irresponsible with it.

Anyway, short of a Catholic bishop, there are no credentials possible that would ordain a user account on TOL with enough authority to comment upon with any validity the morals of a person who claims to believe in the RESURRECTION. We each serve the One Master, you're not my boss, and I'm not yours. What gives you the right to be pointing your finger at how I'm serving Him? I rise and fall on what He thinks of me, and Him alone. There's a lot to say about that, but none of it invalidates that the Christian life is about Him alone.



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[Nihilo]

That is delusion.

Powerful words.

 

[popsthebuilder]

What business is that of yours. Are you the pope? No. You're not a pastor, not of anyone, least of all anyone on this site TOL, you're here as a user account like the rest of the user accounts here. (I'm calling you out right now Holy Father Pope Francis, you rascally Jesuit you, reveal yourself to the rest of us Christians that you are all of ours pastor. That's why popes wear white all the time, that's why the cardinals and bishops dress very distinctively, publicly. It's always very easy to see who the pastors are, because of how they dress, because of how they present themselves visually to other people, so any Catholic pastors who might be operating user accounts here, ought to reveal themselves, so if you are a Catholic pastor Pops, then do tell us the truth.)

. . . Otherwise, you're just a user account. We can't tell who or what maneuvers the user accounts here, everything's digital, so their source could be digital/robotic. And speaking of which, sometimes humans act like robots, if you're looking at them from just the right angle in space, and sometimes user accounts have strange nuances in their message/agenda. If you use a mirror and shine a laser right back from where it came, maybe you can grab the attention of the person or people operating the laser and they'll stop being so irresponsible with it.

Anyway, short of a Catholic bishop, there are no credentials possible that would ordain a user account on TOL with enough authority to comment upon with any validity the morals of a person who claims to believe in the RESURRECTION. We each serve the One Master, you're not my boss, and I'm not yours. What gives you the right to be pointing your finger at how I'm serving Him? I rise and fall on what He thinks of me, and Him alone. There's a lot to say about that, but none of it invalidates that the Christian life is about Him alone.



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There is only One whom I consider a Priest.

As if I was speaking from myself.

What right has the High Priest isn't a question I would expect from someone who claims to be safe.

Matthew: 5. 22. But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Matthew: 7. 26. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
2 Corinthians: 11. 19. For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise.
2 Timothy: 2. 23. But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
2 Timothy: 2. 24. And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25. In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26. And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

I hope you don't think I was just tooting my own horn.

To answer your question; I am noone, and too nothing.







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[Nihilo]

Please practice not calling me, or anyone outside their name.

Your user account name is offensive.

Do you really think I can't say that about you?

I'm sure I don't know what you mean by "that," but of course you can say whatever you want about whomever you want. lain:

I want to please the Lord not live in the bitterness you are projecting.

It's your non-Trintarianism that's bitter, Gt. It's a miserable story if the Church hasn't already got the Trinity right, right from the start. It's apocalyptic. End of days censored. I prefer good news to bad news, and usually the case for bad news being true is overwhelming, but in this case, with the Trinity, the case for the bad news being true is not even a "more likely than not likely" judgment, let alone the gold standard "beyond all reasonable doubt" judgment.

That's statistically speaking of course. I don't care what the statistics say when I know a thing to be true, and God is the Trinity. You and all different subtle difference non-Trinitarians are wrong, wrong, and wrong. Because your message is bad news. It means that the Church that Jesus built, somewhere along the line, completely failed utterly, and the gates of hell prevailed against her, and that's horrible news Gt, but no non-Trins care about that, but you should, because in the absence of overwhelming interest in conspiracy theories, people choose to believe the good news, when they have a choice between believing the good news, or believing the bad news.

'Just thought you should know.

 

[Rosenritter]

That user account is an inanimate thing, not capable of any level of intellect. Each account refers to, and is controlled by a person. You shouldn't call them dumb. It isn't so odd how many deny even the simplest of commands, or their validity. It seems to generally be those same ones that think Jesus the Christ came and taught and performed miracles and sacrificed himself so they could continue in knowing sin as if He did nothing for them.

What business is that of yours. Are you the pope? No. You're not a pastor, not of anyone, least of all anyone on this site TOL, you're here as a user account like the rest of the user accounts here. (I'm calling you out right now Holy Father Pope Francis, you rascally Jesuit you, reveal yourself to the rest of us Christians that you are all of ours pastor. That's why popes wear white all the time, that's why the cardinals and bishops dress very distinctively, publicly. It's always very easy to see who the pastors are, because of how they dress, because of how they present themselves visually to other people, so any Catholic pastors who might be operating user accounts here, ought to reveal themselves, so if you are a Catholic pastor Pops, then do tell us the truth.)

. . . Otherwise, you're just a user account. We can't tell who or what maneuvers the user accounts here, everything's digital, so their source could be digital/robotic. And speaking of which, sometimes humans act like robots, if you're looking at them from just the right angle in space, and sometimes user accounts have strange nuances in their message/agenda. If you use a mirror and shine a laser right back from where it came, maybe you can grab the attention of the person or people operating the laser and they'll stop being so irresponsible with it.

Anyway, short of a Catholic bishop, there are no credentials possible that would ordain a user account on TOL with enough authority to comment upon with any validity the morals of a person who claims to believe in the RESURRECTION. We each serve the One Master, you're not my boss, and I'm not yours. What gives you the right to be pointing your finger at how I'm serving Him? I rise and fall on what He thinks of me, and Him alone. There's a lot to say about that, but none of it invalidates that the Christian life is about Him alone.

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Nihlo, Pops is right in this case. Even if someone is acting dumb, but especially if they are acting dumb, it doesn't help to call them dumb.

If scripture may be applicable, I reference Matthew 5:22, John 13:34, Galatians 5:14-15, and James 3:2. But as for that bit about needing to hear from a priest, I have my ordination from Jesus Christ, and here are my credentials:

Revelation 1:5-6 KJV
(5) And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
(6) And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

By the same measure, if you are loved by Christ, and washed from your sins in his blood, then you are also ordained as a king and a priest, and as such it is a continual challenge that we must act as worthy kings and priests, let we be later judged as unfaithful or unworthy servants.

 

[Nihilo]

Jesus died in the flesh and then in his Spirit he went to prison/hell and preached the gospel there. Then he raised his body from the dead.

Pretty much. You must retain some of the rosary you learned to pray when you were younger, all that's in the Creed.

 

[Nihilo]

I believe in the resurrection.

Did you forget that those who aren't against Christ are for Him?

The Lord said that during His earthly ministry before He rose from the dead.

There is no room today for those who don't believe in the RESURRECTION.

Why must I believe as you do as long as I do believe?

That's fine, go right ahead. Gt the user account waves around a sword, and they don't know what they're doing with it. Why is this possible? Because of the wounds to unity of the One Church. Without these wounds, nobody would ever care what Gt posted, because Gt without being a Church bishop would clearly, only be expressing a conspiracy theory opinion. Everybody would know that all questions in matters of faith and morals are definitively handled and answered authoritatively by the Church's magisterium (all the bishops in communion with the popes, who are also bishops). But because of the wounds to unity, Gt is actually a real menace.

Three days..... To the Lord?

You mean the start of the third millennium since the birth of the Church that's coming up soon? In 2030 or 2033 or somewhere around that year, the third thousand years since the birth of the Church begins. Will this "third day" bring with it . . . ? I don't know, what are your thoughts?




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[Bright Raven]

hahahaha The Comforter is to comfort those who obey.

He comforts those who are saved.

 

[Lazy afternoon]

A message from the Pope

Drop it.

 

[popsthebuilder]

The Lord said that during His earthly ministry before He rose from the dead.

There is no room today for those who don't believe in the RESURRECTION.
That's fine, go right ahead. Gt the user account waves around a sword, and they don't know what they're doing with it. Why is this possible? Because of the wounds to unity of the One Church. Without these wounds, nobody would ever care what Gt posted, because Gt without being a Church bishop would clearly, only be expressing a conspiracy theory opinion. Everybody would know that all questions in matters of faith and morals are definitively handled and answered authoritatively by the Church's magisterium (all the bishops in communion with the popes, who are also bishops). But because of the wounds to unity, Gt is actually a real menace.
You mean the start of the third millennium since the birth of the Church that's coming up soon? In 2030 or 2033 or somewhere around that year, the third thousand years since the birth of the Church begins. Will this "third day" bring with it . . . ? I don't know, what are your thoughts?




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Uhm.... No.... Three days from the death of Jesus could just as easily and rightly be considered 3000 years. Not that such is my belief.

Again, I do not deny the resurrection of the Christ and do attribute my own reception of faith to the risen Christ.

If you deny the teachings of the Christ then I have no reason to speak to you regardless of if you believe in a literal three day resurrection of a literal physical material Jesus or not.



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[lifeisgood]

hahahaha The Comforter is to comfort those who obey.

No, Jesus talking to already SAVED and already BELIEVERS: the Comforter that the Father will send because I will pray the Father, He (the Comforter/Holy Spirit) will teach you all thing... He (the Comforter/Holy Spirit) will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment....He (the Comforter/Holy Spirit) will abide with you forever...

When you pick and choose only the verses that acquiesce to your doctrine, it shows the incompleteness of your doctrine.

 

[Nihilo]

There is only One whom I consider a Priest.

As if I was speaking from myself.

What right has the High Priest isn't a question I would expect from someone who claims to be safe.

Matthew: 5. 22. But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Matthew: 7. 26. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
2 Corinthians: 11. 19. For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise.
2 Timothy: 2. 23. But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
2 Timothy: 2. 24. And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25. In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26. And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

I hope you don't think I was just tooting my own horn.

To answer your question; I am noone, and too nothing.

I can wave around my Bible too. Why should I take your non-authoritative opinion on what the Bible means, or Gt's, as the truth? When it conflicts with what the Church's magisterium says about it? When I weigh the magisterium's authority and the authority of anonymous user accounts on TOL, what would compel me to side with the latter, in interpreting Sacred Scripture?

The Church teaches all about sin. She's got that subject nailed. I've no reason to listen to what anyone else is saying about sin. I can, and do, trust the authority of the Church herself, that Jesus built, which has been preserved in particular, with its lineage of popes from back to Peter, and their infallible doctrines in matters of faith and morals.







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