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Even hoping to stir confusion is a sign for any who can see at all.

1 Corinthians 14: 26. How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, everyone of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying. 27. If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. 28. But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God. 29. Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. 30. If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace. 31. For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. 32. And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33. For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.


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I do not believe that the Trinity Doctrine is truth.

If You read the Original Manuscripts You will find that the Trinitarian translations of the Roman Catholic Church has changed the message of God’s word. The Roman Catholic Trinitarian Bible is mistranslated and in the translation of - “ Heb 11:1 “ and also “ Heb_1:3. “
Here ~ Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
If You study you will notice that the word “ SUBSTANCE “ is not even the correct / actual word in the original Greek manuscripts.
And also here in Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person.
And here If You study you will notice that the word “ PERSON “ is also not even the correct / actual word in Greek manuscripts. Please notice what the Trinitarians did here.
These two words in these two verses above “ SUBSTANCE “ and “ PERSON “ are really / actually the same exact “ single “ Greek word G5287 hupostasis / hoop-os'-tas-is. hupostasis / hoop-os'-tas-is actually means “ Confidence “
- and not “ SUBSTANCE “ nor “ PERSON “ … … … ..
The actual meaning is - confidence = hupostasis = To set under, to (support), that is, assurance (objectively or subjectively): - confidence, confident. I now will list the five total times that this word “ Confidence “ hupostasis / hoop-os'-tas-is.
Remember that the Roman Catholic translators changed Heb 1:1 and Heb 1:3 changing the word CONFIDENCE into the two separate and totally unrelated and completely different words of ( “ SUBSTANCE “ and “ PERSON “ ) I believe that Trinitarians attempted to create a new doctrine that tie the word substance and person and how it relates to their trinity teaching. But these words are not in these verses manuscripts whatsoever.
Let’ s take a look at the five total times that this word exists and is present in the New Testament Greek manuscripts.
1.. 2Co 9:4 in this same confident boasting.
2.. 2Co 11:17 in this confidence of boasting.
Here is the Trinitarian mistranslation of Heb 1:3 - as it reads in the original.
3.. Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his confidence.
Here the original manuscripts say that Christ is the expressed image of Gods confidence. - Not Person.
The trinity translators changed this word.
4.. Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Here also is the Trinitarian mistranslation of Heb 11:1 - as it reads in the original.
5.. Heb 11:1 Now faith is the confidence of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Here the original manuscripts say that faith is the confidence of things hoped for. – Not substance.
REMEMBER that the translators make this change, changing “ Confidence of things hoped for “ into “ SUBSTANCE “ of things hoped for. “ One single time only, in Heb 11:1.
And REMEMBER also that the translators made this change, changing “ the express image of his “ CONFIDENCE “ into “ the express image of his “ PERSON. “ - One single time only, in Heb 11:3.
But also The Bible is in harmony with basic reality and common sense basics and nature and the basic common universal grammar usages of all languages. We do not see that the Bible goes out of its way to elaborate on this Trinity concept - Nor do we see a doctrine in scriptures that defies, confronts and disregards the meaning of the idea of singular person and a plural persons, declaring that the plural, single person of God and His entity are three distinct / separate persons. This is nowhere expressed in the Bible. I have noticed that Catholics and Trinitarians always disregard and change the basic dynamics of reality and grammar, language and common sense. The trinity doctrine elaborates on how that Jesus is a separate distinct { PERSON } from the Father - But one in nature with the Father, adding the word PERSON to the Catholic translation – But the word person is never, ever applied to God anywhere in the entire manuscripts.
This teaching is not described in the Bible. And in the original manuscripts - Heb 11:3 never says that Christ is the PERSON of the expression of God = In image form. … .
In Heb 11:3. - Christ is the expressed image of Gods - confidence / not Person.
Also we see that every person that we know of in all cases that we see in all situations everywhere - they are always an individual special, separate single entity and deity and a singular - individual person. We see that Trinitarians are saying that the idea of multiple “ PERSONS” are not really three entities or deities. But God is not a Person in the Bible. And we see that there is no other example anywhere that we can imagine that describe anyone whatsoever who is a person who is also multiple “ PERSONS”
Notice that to Trinitarians, Jesus literality becomes a distinct / separate “ PERSON “ instead of the expressed image of The Holy Spirits His “ CONFIDENCE “ as the manuscripts say. I know that - NEITHER GOD NOR CHRIST ARE CALLED : PERSON : IN THE MANUSCRIPTS> The Trinitarians add the word person in Heb 11:3… …
The Bible is in harmony with basic reality and common sense basic nature. The Bible does not go out of its way to elaborate on this Trinity concept to define and changes the basic dynamics of reality and grammar and common sense that elaborates on how that Jesus is a separate distinct “ PERSON “ from the Father. This teaching is not described in the Bible. We see that the Bible says the opposite of the trinity idea, because here in Heb 1:3, Jesus is described as the Image of Gods “ CONFIDENCE “ And, If the trinity was a part of God, then Heb 1:3 would say that Christ is the image of Gods “ Plural “ CONFIDENCES “ Because Jesus not only is manifested as Image the Father - He also is the manifestation of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the Father – The Father is a spirit.
 

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Yes absolutely - I will explain why I believe that the trinity doctrine is against Gods word.

Why would someone who is not God Himself be honestly claiming to be someday sitting " IN " the very throne of God ? Satan has made this claim and attempted to sit in the throne of God.
Either Yahoshua is lying and will never sit " IN " the throne of God - or He is God in the flesh as the Bible says.

These following verses are mistranslated in our trinitarian translations.

Rom 8:34 Christ in G1722 - ἐν - en - en in in the right of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Eph 1:20 Christ in G1722 - ἐν - en - en in his own right G1722 - ἐν - en - en in in the heavenly place.
Heb 12:2 Christ is set G1722 - ἐν - en - en in in the right of the throne of God.
Heb 1:3 Christ is..... the express image of The Fathers confidence, .... sat down G1722 - ἐν - en - en in in the rightof the Majesty G1722 - ἐν - en - en in in the high.
Heb 8:1 Christ is set G1722 - ἐν - en - en in in the right of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Heb 10:12 Jesus is forever sat down G1722 - ἐν - en - en in in the right of God;
1Pe 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is G1722 - ἐν - en - en in in the right of God;

- The Greek word for " IN " is the Greek word - G1722 - ἐν / en - en

Yahoshua is said to have ascended to heaven to sit " IN " the throne of God and " IN " the right of power of God.

- Reading from the original Greek manuscripts, the manuscripts / Bible never once calls or labels Yahoshua or the Father a " PERSON " or even identifies Him as a part of the " PEOPLE "

The trinitarian translators made invented this change, changing the original that said = “ The express image of his “ CONFIDENCE “ into “ the express image of his “ PERSON. “ - in Heb 11:3.

Yahoshua was the expressed image of Gods confidence - Never is Yahoshua called - another individual separate person of a third person of Gods deity. God is never called a person in the manuscripts.

Yahoshua is simply given the identity as being fully filled with the identity of - The Head Supreme God - With God very identity. - Not filled with The Head Of God or filled with God's head - But there is a difference in saying HEAD GOD and in saying GOD HEAD

- And Yahoshua is called the HEAD / SUPREME God because He is the Only head God.

In the Bible - He is not a incomplete partiality of God - or a second or third person or a separate individual of a God's Headship in the Bible - but on earth, He took on the MANIFESTATION / MORPH / FORM of a man and a servant and became humanity. - to fulfill a purpose.

God was manifesting Himself in different forms / " MORPHS " to His creation But the Greek uses this word " MORPH " - meaning Yahoshua was the " MORPH " of God. Also, Yahoshua claims that He is the First And Last – Beginning and the end, the " ALMIGHTY " REV_1:8 I G1473 AM G1510 ALPHA G1 AND G2532 OMEGA G5598 BEGINNING GG746 AND G2532 ENDING G5056 THE G3588 LORD G2962 CAME AND TO COME G3801 THE G3588 ALMIGHTY G3841


We see that the Trinity Doctrine limits the Deity Of Yahoshua and seeks to deny the Biblical Manuscripts that say clearly in Php 2:6 that Yaahoshua, the Anointing, was in the form / morph of God, thought it not robbery or seizing, taking (by force) to be or to exist as equal to God. - But a vain, non-effect reputation, himself, taking or receiving the form / morph of a servant, was made in the likeness of men:

I disagree with Trinitarians, that Yahoshua is " ANOTHER "PLURAL / SECOND PERSON / PERSONS - OF THE THREE HEADS OF GOD. If each PERSON of The Trinity is each, a single individual HEAD, OF THE SINGLE Trinitarian { three-headed } GOD - How is - the totality of all of the fullness of the divinity of The Father (God) Physically - in Yahoshua - who is also the - HEAD of all principalities and powers.

This is another Trinity mistranslation here in Col 2:9

- Col 2:9 For in Him, dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead physically.

Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, " which " or / WHOM is the HEAD of all principalities and powers.

Trinity doctrine is forced onto the manuscript text, as Trinitarians change God's word throughout the translation. The manuscripts say that in Him physically, { in Yahoshua, } the fullness of the IDENTITY of GOD is inhabited / dwelling. In Col 2:9, the manuscripts use a different word called “ theote¯s “ as the Trinitarian Translators use the word " Godhead "" saying - " For in Him, dwelleth all the fullness of the " Godhead " But this Greek word " theote¯s " has nothing to do with a Head Of God - or a God’s HEAD - - but simply means -- " theote¯s “ = THE IDENTITY - GOD HOOD - GOD TURE – or THE GOD CHARACTER OF GOD " The Greek word G2320 θεο´της - “ theote¯s “ / theh-ot'-ace means " theote¯s = THE IDENTITY - GOD HOOD - GOD TURE - THE GOD CHARACTER OF GOD " - it has nothing to do with the word " GOD HEAD " this is another invented Trinitarian doctrine inserted into the text. “ Theote¯s ” has nothing whatsoever to do with the idea of a " HEAD " - The Greek word for Head is G2776 - κεφαλη´ - kephale¯ / kef-al-ay' = Meaning The head / - head. In Col 2:10 We know and agree that the manuscripts do say that - He is the HEAD of all principalities and all powers.

And But here- Col 2:9, in the manuscripts - it says that in Him, dwelleth all the fullness of the “ Theote¯s ” = THE IDENTITY - GOD HOOD - GOD TURE - THE GOD CHARACTER OF GOD " physically. theote¯s - this word is not head - in relation to plural Trinitarian heads or " Heads Of God or God’s Heads " or The Head Of God. It has nothing to do with the word " HEAD " - yet the translators added and changed this word to say " GOD HEAD "

Just like The Father Manifested Himself to Abraham- God The Father - Yawhea appeared to Abraham - sat down, ate and spoke to Abraham - as a man. In - Col 2:9. In The Trinitarian Translation - This is a plurality or a trinity that is forced onto the text. - However, He is the expressed image and manifestation FORM / MORPH of the Head / SUPREME / sovereign / almighty head God of all – The head of all, One God. not a HEAD of the multiple plural persons or HEADS of God - or a God's Head or God Head.

It just seems so obvious that Trinitarians have literally gone throughout the entire scriptures making up, adding and removing things and changing things, to codify, mold, form, morph, reshape, Re - ANIMATE and LITERALLY STAMP into the manuscripts words that are not present in individual manuscripts verses. - " MADE UP WORDS such as " GODHEAD " were added into the translation by trinitarians, this is not a Greek word that is even in the manuscripts - ( THERE IS NO GODHEAD in the manuscrips ) but godhead is a Trinitarian explanation to a word that has nothing to do with the word " HEAD “ - or a body part or a position of status nor power but simply " theote¯s “ = THE IDENTITY - GOD HOOD - GOD TURE - THE GOD CHARACTER OF THE HEAD GOD. - The translators tried to invent orientations , attitudes, views, positions and placemats and placement levels and categories of Christ's location as sitting on the " RIGHT " HAND SIDE of the throne and where he belonged in a first, second and third place in His relation to The Father -

I ask trinitarians if God is multiple plural persons - then does HE also have two or three heads.
Should not the trinitatian translators have made the word Godhead into -= PLURAL GODHEADS ? - But Yahoshua is filled / full with all of the fullness of the God Hood. theote¯s -θεότης = meaning = THE IDENTITY - GOD HOOD - GOD TURE - THE GOD CHARACTER OF THE GOD " not just GODS HEAD or HEAD POSITION. here in Col 2:9 - GODHEAD is a made up word - to define a doctrine or a theological position. there is no Greek word head in verse 9 - this was lifted, stolen and borrowed or compared or crossed over - as the translators took it { LIFTED IT } from the following verse - 10 - and added it to the previous verse.

Also - Also - I remember the Verse here in - Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to feed the flock, over which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which He hath purchased with His own blood. - If the verse is declaring that - The Holy Spirit has made overseers over the Church that God Himself has Purchased with His own Blood. Then notice that Yahoshua / { Jee Zeus } - is nowhere mentioned in the entire Chapter. -

I ask all of You - Is the verse saying indirectly and inadvertently, accidentally, or as if though, that Yahoshua Himself, is this very God * whom has shed His Blood. ? We know that He is, Yet the Bible says that God is the one shedding His blood.

We know that the Bible does not come out and directly say the words in Greek - that Yahoshua is " LITERALLY G O D " or that Yahoshua is The Father. Also - Yahoshua never personally never comes out and says, worship me, praise me and pray to me and bow down and worship me. However Yahoshua does claim that He will sit directly " IN " the throne of the Father and other verses say that Yahoshua is " IN " the RIGHT OF THE THRONE - IN HIGH - and GIVEN - THE RIGHT OF THE POWER OF God. - Also, Yahoshua claims that He is the First And Last – Beginning and the end, the " ALMIGHTY " - REV_1:8 I G1473 AM G1510 ALPHA G1 AND G2532 OMEGA G5598 BEGINNING GG746 AND G2532 ENDING G5056 THE G3588 LORDG2962 CAME AND TO COME G3801 THE G3588 ALMIGHTY G3841 - - Yahoshua is also claiming that He Himself, will sit " IN " the father's throne.

- Col 2:9 For in Him, dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead physically.
Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, " which " or / WHOM is the HEAD of all principalities and powers.

If Yahoshua will be sitting IN the throne of the father - where will the father sit in Heaven. Yahoshua said ' I WILL SIT IN THE THRONE OF MY FAThER ' This is why Yahoshua said that * " If You have seen Me - You have seen the Father.
Becauseas the manuscripts explain - He came form the bosom of the Father and The Father - GOD - took on the FORM / MORPH / MANIFESTSTION of flesh / man - to reconsile the world unto Himself.
 

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Yes absolutely - I will explain why I believe that the trinity doctrine is against Gods word.

Why would someone who is not God Himself be honestly claiming to be someday sitting " IN " the very throne of God ? Satan has made this claim and attempted to sit in the throne of God.
Either Yahoshua is lying and will never sit " IN " the throne of God - or He is God in the flesh as the Bible says.

These following verses are mistranslated in our trinitarian translations.

Rom 8:34 Christ in G1722 - ἐν - en - en in in the right of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Eph 1:20 Christ in G1722 - ἐν - en - en in his own right G1722 - ἐν - en - en in in the heavenly place.
Heb 12:2 Christ is set G1722 - ἐν - en - en in in the right of the throne of God.
Heb 1:3 Christ is..... the express image of The Fathers confidence, .... sat down G1722 - ἐν - en - en in in the rightof the Majesty G1722 - ἐν - en - en in in the high.
Heb 8:1 Christ is set G1722 - ἐν - en - en in in the right of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Heb 10:12 Jesus is forever sat down G1722 - ἐν - en - en in in the right of God;
1Pe 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is G1722 - ἐν - en - en in in the right of God;

- The Greek word for " IN " is the Greek word - G1722 - ἐν / en - en

Yahoshua is said to have ascended to heaven to sit " IN " the throne of God and " IN " the right of power of God.

- Reading from the original Greek manuscripts, the manuscripts / Bible never once calls or labels Yahoshua or the Father a " PERSON " or even identifies Him as a part of the " PEOPLE "

The trinitarian translators made invented this change, changing the original that said = “ The express image of his “ CONFIDENCE “ into “ the express image of his “ PERSON. “ - in Heb 11:3.

Yahoshua was the expressed image of Gods confidence - Never is Yahoshua called - another individual separate person of a third person of Gods deity. God is never called a person in the manuscripts.

Yahoshua is simply given the identity as being fully filled with the identity of - The Head Supreme God - With God very identity. - Not filled with The Head Of God or filled with God's head - But there is a difference in saying HEAD GOD and in saying GOD HEAD

- And Yahoshua is called the HEAD / SUPREME God because He is the Only head God.

In the Bible - He is not a incomplete partiality of God - or a second or third person or a separate individual of a God's Headship in the Bible - but on earth, He took on the MANIFESTATION / MORPH / FORM of a man and a servant and became humanity. - to fulfill a purpose.

God was manifesting Himself in different forms / " MORPHS " to His creation But the Greek uses this word " MORPH " - meaning Yahoshua was the " MORPH " of God. Also, Yahoshua claims that He is the First And Last – Beginning and the end, the " ALMIGHTY " REV_1:8 I G1473 AM G1510 ALPHA G1 AND G2532 OMEGA G5598 BEGINNING GG746 AND G2532 ENDING G5056 THE G3588 LORD G2962 CAME AND TO COME G3801 THE G3588 ALMIGHTY G3841


We see that the Trinity Doctrine limits the Deity Of Yahoshua and seeks to deny the Biblical Manuscripts that say clearly in Php 2:6 that Yaahoshua, the Anointing, was in the form / morph of God, thought it not robbery or seizing, taking (by force) to be or to exist as equal to God. - But a vain, non-effect reputation, himself, taking or receiving the form / morph of a servant, was made in the likeness of men:

I disagree with Trinitarians, that Yahoshua is " ANOTHER "PLURAL / SECOND PERSON / PERSONS - OF THE THREE HEADS OF GOD. If each PERSON of The Trinity is each, a single individual HEAD, OF THE SINGLE Trinitarian { three-headed } GOD - How is - the totality of all of the fullness of the divinity of The Father (God) Physically - in Yahoshua - who is also the - HEAD of all principalities and powers.

This is another Trinity mistranslation here in Col 2:9

- Col 2:9 For in Him, dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead physically.

Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, " which " or / WHOM is the HEAD of all principalities and powers.

Trinity doctrine is forced onto the manuscript text, as Trinitarians change God's word throughout the translation. The manuscripts say that in Him physically, { in Yahoshua, } the fullness of the IDENTITY of GOD is inhabited / dwelling. In Col 2:9, the manuscripts use a different word called “ theote¯s “ as the Trinitarian Translators use the word " Godhead "" saying - " For in Him, dwelleth all the fullness of the " Godhead " But this Greek word " theote¯s " has nothing to do with a Head Of God - or a God’s HEAD - - but simply means -- " theote¯s “ = THE IDENTITY - GOD HOOD - GOD TURE – or THE GOD CHARACTER OF GOD " The Greek word G2320 θεο´της - “ theote¯s “ / theh-ot'-ace means " theote¯s = THE IDENTITY - GOD HOOD - GOD TURE - THE GOD CHARACTER OF GOD " - it has nothing to do with the word " GOD HEAD " this is another invented Trinitarian doctrine inserted into the text. “ Theote¯s ” has nothing whatsoever to do with the idea of a " HEAD " - The Greek word for Head is G2776 - κεφαλη´ - kephale¯ / kef-al-ay' = Meaning The head / - head. In Col 2:10 We know and agree that the manuscripts do say that - He is the HEAD of all principalities and all powers.

And But here- Col 2:9, in the manuscripts - it says that in Him, dwelleth all the fullness of the “ Theote¯s ” = THE IDENTITY - GOD HOOD - GOD TURE - THE GOD CHARACTER OF GOD " physically. theote¯s - this word is not head - in relation to plural Trinitarian heads or " Heads Of God or God’s Heads " or The Head Of God. It has nothing to do with the word " HEAD " - yet the translators added and changed this word to say " GOD HEAD "

Just like The Father Manifested Himself to Abraham- God The Father - Yawhea appeared to Abraham - sat down, ate and spoke to Abraham - as a man. In - Col 2:9. In The Trinitarian Translation - This is a plurality or a trinity that is forced onto the text. - However, He is the expressed image and manifestation FORM / MORPH of the Head / SUPREME / sovereign / almighty head God of all – The head of all, One God. not a HEAD of the multiple plural persons or HEADS of God - or a God's Head or God Head.

It just seems so obvious that Trinitarians have literally gone throughout the entire scriptures making up, adding and removing things and changing things, to codify, mold, form, morph, reshape, Re - ANIMATE and LITERALLY STAMP into the manuscripts words that are not present in individual manuscripts verses. - " MADE UP WORDS such as " GODHEAD " were added into the translation by trinitarians, this is not a Greek word that is even in the manuscripts - ( THERE IS NO GODHEAD in the manuscrips ) but godhead is a Trinitarian explanation to a word that has nothing to do with the word " HEAD “ - or a body part or a position of status nor power but simply " theote¯s “ = THE IDENTITY - GOD HOOD - GOD TURE - THE GOD CHARACTER OF THE HEAD GOD. - The translators tried to invent orientations , attitudes, views, positions and placemats and placement levels and categories of Christ's location as sitting on the " RIGHT " HAND SIDE of the throne and where he belonged in a first, second and third place in His relation to The Father -

I ask trinitarians if God is multiple plural persons - then does HE also have two or three heads.
Should not the trinitatian translators have made the word Godhead into -= PLURAL GODHEADS ? - But Yahoshua is filled / full with all of the fullness of the God Hood. theote¯s -θεότης = meaning = THE IDENTITY - GOD HOOD - GOD TURE - THE GOD CHARACTER OF THE GOD " not just GODS HEAD or HEAD POSITION. here in Col 2:9 - GODHEAD is a made up word - to define a doctrine or a theological position. there is no Greek word head in verse 9 - this was lifted, stolen and borrowed or compared or crossed over - as the translators took it { LIFTED IT } from the following verse - 10 - and added it to the previous verse.

Also - Also - I remember the Verse here in - Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to feed the flock, over which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which He hath purchased with His own blood. - If the verse is declaring that - The Holy Spirit has made overseers over the Church that God Himself has Purchased with His own Blood. Then notice that Yahoshua / { Jee Zeus } - is nowhere mentioned in the entire Chapter. -

I ask all of You - Is the verse saying indirectly and inadvertently, accidentally, or as if though, that Yahoshua Himself, is this very God * whom has shed His Blood. ? We know that He is, Yet the Bible says that God is the one shedding His blood.

We know that the Bible does not come out and directly say the words in Greek - that Yahoshua is " LITERALLY G O D " or that Yahoshua is The Father. Also - Yahoshua never personally never comes out and says, worship me, praise me and pray to me and bow down and worship me. However Yahoshua does claim that He will sit directly " IN " the throne of the Father and other verses say that Yahoshua is " IN " the RIGHT OF THE THRONE - IN HIGH - and GIVEN - THE RIGHT OF THE POWER OF God. - Also, Yahoshua claims that He is the First And Last – Beginning and the end, the " ALMIGHTY " - REV_1:8 I G1473 AM G1510 ALPHA G1 AND G2532 OMEGA G5598 BEGINNING GG746 AND G2532 ENDING G5056 THE G3588 LORDG2962 CAME AND TO COME G3801 THE G3588 ALMIGHTY G3841 - - Yahoshua is also claiming that He Himself, will sit " IN " the father's throne.

- Col 2:9 For in Him, dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead physically.
Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, " which " or / WHOM is the HEAD of all principalities and powers.

If Yahoshua will be sitting IN the throne of the father - where will the father sit in Heaven. Yahoshua said ' I WILL SIT IN THE THRONE OF MY FAThER ' This is why Yahoshua said that * " If You have seen Me - You have seen the Father.
Becauseas the manuscripts explain - He came form the bosom of the Father and The Father - GOD - took on the FORM / MORPH / MANIFESTSTION of flesh / man - to reconsile the world unto Himself.

And to all that;

John 1:1 New Living Translation (NLT)
Prologue: Christ, the Eternal Word
1 In the beginning the Word already existed.
The Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
 

Apple7

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Yes absolutely - I will explain why I believe that the trinity doctrine is against Gods word.

Your cut-n-pasties don't even make sense.





These following verses are mistranslated in our trinitarian translations.

Rom 8:34 Christ in G1722 - ἐν - en - en in in the right of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Eph 1:20 Christ in G1722 - ἐν - en - en in his own right G1722 - ἐν - en - en in in the heavenly place.
Heb 12:2 Christ is set G1722 - ἐν - en - en in in the right of the throne of God.
Heb 1:3 Christ is..... the express image of The Fathers confidence, .... sat down G1722 - ἐν - en - en in in the rightof the Majesty G1722 - ἐν - en - en in in the high.
Heb 8:1 Christ is set G1722 - ἐν - en - en in in the right of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Heb 10:12 Jesus is forever sat down G1722 - ἐν - en - en in in the right of God;
1Pe 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is G1722 - ἐν - en - en in in the right of God;

- The Greek word for " IN " is the Greek word - G1722 - ἐν / en - en

The Right hand of God is the Holy Spirit.

What you have thus done, is to provide clear-cut examples of the Holy Trinity.

What can you do now...?
 

eleventhhour

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The Trinitarian Translators added the word " HAND " in Mark15:27
Mar 15:27 And with him they crucify two thieves; the one on his right hand, and the other on his left.

The correct translation does not have the word " RIGHT " in the verse - there is no " right hand " in the manuscripts. We see - What the Spirit of God Looks like - Through The Eyes John. In a Vision. The Basic Greek Manuscripts READ eXactly as FOLLOWS. Basic GREEK MANUSCRIPTS … The Holy Spirit - Residing UPON His Throne. Here in - Rev 4:2.
Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and sitting on the throne. Rev 4:3 And sitting, a - G3706 vision - appearing as jasper and as sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, a - G3706 vision - appearing emerald. This is How The GREEK MANUSCRIPTS READ in Rev 4:3 The Rest is Added by the Translators. "- in our translation. " It is Ok To add Stuff to help People Understand. But the King James Translators Lie and Mistranslate to Alter and Change the Word Of God.

Lets Notice ANOTHER Mistake - The King James Translators make.

Rev 5:7 And G2532 he came G2064 and G2532 took G2983 the G3588 book G975 out of G1537 the G3588 right hand G1188 of him that sat G2521 upon G1909 the G3588 throne. G2362

The King James Translation is incorrect.

All the Manuscripts are saying here in Rev 5:7 is simply that
THE LAMB - came G2064 and G2532 took G2983 the G3588 book G975 FROM G1537 the G3588 right G1188 of that G2521 siting upon G1909 the G3588 throne. G2362 .

We know - The Holy Spirit is THAT - Which is - THAT DWELLING, RESIDING - UPON The Throne.
The Holy Spirit Has no Hands, No Feet, No Rear End - To Sit, No Mouth and no Body. He is SPIRIT>/.. Invisible. Immortal, Light. Christ, / The Lamb is the Physical Manifestation of that Holy SPIRIT. The Lamb Takes the Book that is - PRESENT - there at the RIGHT of the Throne. Not in the Hand of the Spirit on the Throne. There is no HAND - in the Verse. There is NO right hand of Gods Spirit in the VERSE. The Translators Lied. The RIGHT of the Throne is where Christ also is. That is HIS POSITION of POWER - That is Why Only HE = Is able to OPEN the Book that is from that siting on the throne. - Christ is Also sitting at the RIGHT of the POWER of the Spirit.

And the Greek Word for A Hand Or Hands - is GREEK 5495 χείρ Cheir / Khire.
The hand. A Hand Or Hands. And the Greek Word for Right Side. is GREEK 1188 δεξιός , Dexios, Dex-ee-os' The Right. Right.

REMEMBER
Right = Dexios Greek1188 δεξιός
Hand = Cheir GREEK 5495 χείρ

Rev 20:1 And G2532 I saw G1492 an angel G32 come down G2597 from G1537 heaven, G3772 having G2192 the G3588 key G2807 of the G3588 bottomless pit G12 and G2532 a great G3173 chain G254 in G1909 his G848hand. Hand = Cheir GREEK 5495 χείρ
Notice the Manuscripts always tell You when it is the - RIGHT HAND. They always Put the Two Greek Words Together. Here the Greek Word ( RIGHT ) - Is not in the Manuscripts. Just the Word hand is mentioned in - Rev 20:1.

Here we see the Usage of " right " = Greek 1188 and " hand " = Greek 5495 - Used in the manuscripts.
Rev 1:16 And G2532 he had G2192 in G1722 his G848 Right = Dexios Greek1188 δεξιός …. Hand = Cheir GREEK 5495 χείρ …… sevenG2033 stars:G792

Rev 1:17 And G2532 when G3753 I saw G1492 him, G846 I fell G4098 at G4314 his G848 feet G4228 as G5613 dead. G3498 And G2532 he laid G2007 his G848 Right = Dexios Greek1188 δεξιός …. Hand = Cheir GREEK 5495 χείρ …….upon G1909 me, G1691 …………………………………

Rev 13:16 And G2532 he causeth G4160 all, G3956 both small G3398 and G2532 great,G3173(G2532) rich G4145 and G2532 poor, G4434 (G2532) free G1658 and G2532 bond,G1401 to G2443 receive G1325 G846 a mark G5480 in G1909 their G848 Right = Dexios Greek1188 δεξιός …. Hand = Cheir GREEK 5495 χείρ
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The Authors of the Scriptures TELL YOU Clearly that it is the RIGHT HAND. They always USE the Two GREEK WORDS> Right = Dexios and Hand = Cheir
Ok - Lets notice the Authors use Right and Foot - together.

Rev 10:2 AndG2532 he hadG2192 inG1722 hisG848 handG5495 a little bookG974 open:G455 andG2532 he setG5087 hisG848 Right = Dexios Greek1188 δεξιός / πούς pous pooce A “foot …… uponG1909 theG3588 sea,G2281

You see… This Word that the TRANSLATORS are CLAIMING is the Word for RIGHT HAND OF POWER
and IN THE RIGHT HAND OF THE SPIRIT ON THE THRONE. is SUDDENLY Referring to - The RIGHT FOOT. Or The RIGHT EYE. or Mat 5:29 AndG1161 if G1487 thy G4675 right G1188 eye G3788 offend G4624 thee,G4571
Mat 5:39 whosoeverG3748 shall smiteG4474 theeG4571 onG1909 thyG4675 right G1188 cheek,G4600
This Greek Word - Right = Dexios - Has nothing to do with the Hand.

The Manuscripts always tell You it is the Right Hand.

Mat 5:39 whosoever G3748 shall smite G4474 thee G4571 on G1909 thy G4675 right Right = Dexios - cheek,G4600 - again - nothing to do with a Hand. The Translators go through The Bible Adding many things that are not there in the Original Greek And Hebrew. - They changed the bible to say that the people crucified with Yahoshua were on His Right HAND and left.

This is what Trinitarians do. They have changed and added so much to the Bible in order to create doctrines and teachings that are not in the manuscripts. I simply admit that the BIble does not specify the shape of the pole or rod that Yahoshua was nailed to. It is called being honest. I believe and respectfully say that Trinitarians are simply changing and adding to Gods word in order to INVENT a doctrine called trinity.

There is no right " HAND " of power - and there is no right " HAND " of the throne and also no such an idea of a right " HAND " of the holy spirit. the word " HAND " was added by the translators in order to create and invent a lie.

There is only the right of the throne - The right of power . Yahoshua is NOW TODAY sitting in the Father thone. IN THE RIGHT OF THE FATHER IN THE HIGHEST THRONE OF GOD ALMIGHTY. exactly as the Bible says,
 

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1 John 1:1-2 New Living Translation (NLT)
Introduction
1 We proclaim to you the one who existed from the beginning,[a] whom we have heard and seen. We saw him with our own eyes and touched him with our own hands. He is the Word of life. 2 This one who is life itself was revealed to us, and we have seen him. And now we testify and proclaim to you that he is the one who is eternal life. He was with the Father, and then he was revealed to us.
 

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There is no right " HAND " of power - and there is no right " HAND " of the throne and also no such an idea of a right " HAND " of the holy spirit. the word " HAND " was added by the translators in order to create and invent a lie.

There is only the right of the throne - The right of power . Yahoshua is NOW TODAY sitting in the Father thone. IN THE RIGHT OF THE FATHER IN THE HIGHEST THRONE OF GOD ALMIGHTY. exactly as the Bible says,

The terms 'right', 'hand', 'hands', 'finger' and 'fingers', all refer to the Holy Spirit when used in the context of God.

This is fact.

The Triune God is known by over 1000+ names, titles and epithets within the pages of scripture.

Best you learn what you are slavishly pasting...
 

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Dear friend - :bang::bang: -- Apple7

Please show in the original Greek manuscripts, where the Greek word " HAND " is assigned to the RIGHT OF THE THRONE.

Please show in the original Greek manuscripts, where the Greek word " HAND " is assigned to the RIGHT OF POWER.

Please show in the original Greek manuscripts, where the Greek word " HAND " is assigned to the RIGHT OF THE THRONE.

Even Act 2:33 says " Therefore being the right of God, exalted ...........

There is no word that says that Yahohoshua is BESIDE the RIGHT HAND of God.
The simply maniscripts say that Yahoshua is = Therefore existing as the RIGHT Of God.
The translators added the word BESIDE the Right Hand. The original says that Yahshua sitting as the Right Of God. You can imagine Yahoshua being beside the RIGHT HAND.

Never are the two Greek words RIGHT and HAND used to describe Yahoshuas position in relation to the Father.

The two greek words RIGHT and HAND are used only around seven times together in the New Testment manuscripts

Mat_5:30 rightG1188 handG5495
Luk_6:6 rightG1188 handG5495
Act_3:7 rightG1188 hand,G5495 and lifted him up:G1453 andG1161 immediatelyG3916 hisG846 feetG939
Rev_1:16 AndG2532 he hadG2192 inG1722 hisG848 rightG1188 handG5495
Rev_1:17 rightG1188 handG5495
Rev_10:2 rightG1188 footG4228
Rev_13:16 rightG1188 hand,G5495

The passages were inserted into the manuscripts by the translators. NEVER is the word HAND used to describe Yahoshua sitting on the RIGHT of the throne - RIGHT of power - RIGHT of the Father or RIGHT of the anything dealing with Yahoshua and the Father.

The idea of the RIGHT " HAND " OF GOD is not mentioned in the manuscripts. it is all assembled and assumed by translators who did not translate the BIble until nearly 2000 years after Christ.. - late 15 th century trinitarianism are not original manuscripts.
 

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Dear friend - :bang::bang: -- Apple7

Please show in the original Greek manuscripts, where the Greek word " HAND " is assigned to the RIGHT OF THE THRONE.

Please show in the original Greek manuscripts, where the Greek word " HAND " is assigned to the RIGHT OF POWER.

Please show in the original Greek manuscripts, where the Greek word " HAND " is assigned to the RIGHT OF THE THRONE.

Even Act 2:33 says " Therefore being the right of God, exalted ...........

There is no word that says that Yahohoshua is BESIDE the RIGHT HAND of God.
The simply maniscripts say that Yahoshua is = Therefore existing as the RIGHT Of God.
The translators added the word BESIDE the Right Hand. The original says that Yahshua sitting as the Right Of God. You can imagine Yahoshua being beside the RIGHT HAND.

Never are the two Greek words RIGHT and HAND used to describe Yahoshuas position in relation to the Father.

The two greek words RIGHT and HAND are used only around seven times together in the New Testment manuscripts

Mat_5:30 rightG1188 handG5495
Luk_6:6 rightG1188 handG5495
Act_3:7 rightG1188 hand,G5495 and lifted him up:G1453 andG1161 immediatelyG3916 hisG846 feetG939
Rev_1:16 AndG2532 he hadG2192 inG1722 hisG848 rightG1188 handG5495
Rev_1:17 rightG1188 handG5495
Rev_10:2 rightG1188 footG4228
Rev_13:16 rightG1188 hand,G5495

The passages were inserted into the manuscripts by the translators. NEVER is the word HAND used to describe Yahoshua sitting on the RIGHT of the throne - RIGHT of power - RIGHT of the Father or RIGHT of the anything dealing with Yahoshua and the Father.

The idea of the RIGHT " HAND " OF GOD is not mentioned in the manuscripts. it is all assembled and assumed by translators who did not translate the BIble until nearly 2000 years after Christ.. - late 15 th century trinitarianism are not original manuscripts.

What does this have to do with the Trinity?
 

Apple7

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Please show in the original Greek manuscripts, where the Greek word " HAND " is assigned to the RIGHT OF THE THRONE.

Please show in the original Greek manuscripts, where the Greek word " HAND " is assigned to the RIGHT OF POWER.

Please show in the original Greek manuscripts, where the Greek word " HAND " is assigned to the RIGHT OF THE THRONE.



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