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Very powerful message: Hundreds of shoes and handwritten notes at a California school representing the children who will be leaving if the injection mandate becomes a requirement to attend school.


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Very powerful message: Hundreds of shoes and handwritten notes at a California school representing the children who will be leaving if the injection mandate becomes a requirement to attend school.


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This is incredibly stupid. The fact that these students would go back to their government abusers, blessed by their parents, is the bigger problem.

Until they recognize that, they are worse than the students/parents who worship the system at the government schools.
 

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This is incredibly stupid. The fact that these students would go back to their government abusers, blessed by their parents, is the bigger problem.
Until they recognize that, they are worse than the students/parents who worship the system at the government schools.

I really don't understand your post. I do agree with your assessment that the school is akin to "government abusers" and they are bad, but after that you lost me.
  1. What exactly is stupid? The protest itself? I thought it was pretty good.
  2. While I agree that in a perfect world children should not be in propagandized public schools, some poor parents have no choice. The best they can hope to do is make the schools better for their kids.
If you were a low income person working two jobs just to feed your kids and pay the rent, what would you do for your kids' education?
 

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I really don't understand your post. I do agree with your assessment that the school is akin to "government abusers" and they are bad, but after that you lost me.

[*]What exactly is stupid? The protest itself? I thought it was pretty good.

It's akin to rearranging the deck chairs on the sinking Titanic.

Get your kids out of the Godless government schools. Don't threaten them that you won't return if they don't comply, just don't return, period.

[*]While I agree that in a perfect world children should not be in propagandized public schools, some poor parents have no choice.

Yes, teaching one's children oneself requires making sacrifices.

So which do you choose, that new car, work promotion, making more money? Or raising your children properly?

The best they can hope to do is make the schools better for their kids.[/LIST]

Just like we should have prayer meetings before the work hours start at the whorehouse.... right?

If you were a low income person working two jobs just to feed your kids and pay the rent, what would you do for your kids' education?

If a single mother is working two jobs to take care of her children, she should look for a husband who can work to provide for her and her children, so that she can stay at home and take care of her children/

If a single father is working two jobs to take care of his children, he should look for a wife who can stay home and take care of his children, while he works to provide for them.

I can guarantee you that most (not all, but certainly most) single parent families in the US rely on checks from socialist government programs to make ends meet.

People need each other to live. When the government provides for that need, people cease to rely on each other. and especially in the case of the nuclear family, there becomes no longer a need for a spouse.
 

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Yes, teaching one's children oneself requires making sacrifices.

If you put yourself in the shoes of a single mom who barely has the hours in a day to work two jobs, you would see how insensitive and unrealistic your remarks are. Making sacrifices is fine. But you cannot add more hours to the 24 hour day.

I feel like you are manufacturing an argument with me and I don't know why, when I am one of the good guys.

If a single mother is working two jobs to take care of her children, she should look for a husband

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I really don't understand your post. I do agree with your assessment that the school is akin to "government abusers" and they are bad, but after that you lost me.
  1. What exactly is stupid? The protest itself? I thought it was pretty good.
  2. While I agree that in a perfect world children should not be in propagandized public schools, some poor parents have no choice. The best they can hope to do is make the schools better for their kids.
If you were a low income person working two jobs just to feed your kids and pay the rent, what would you do for your kids' education?
You are correct that I missed a point. Although it could have been inferred, to be more clear, let me add: "This is incredibly stupid. The fact that these students would go back to their government abusers, blessed by their parents, if the schools will just not make the jab mandatory is the bigger problem.

Until they recognize that, they are worse than the students/parents who worship the system at the government schools."

But on to your claim that parents cannot teach their kids if they are low income. I have 8 kids, I'm a single dad, and I only make enough money to live so I can be home. All my kids were homeschooled and they are doing great. I have 2 left that are not in college yet.

I don't say this to brag. I only say it so people know it can be done. Could it have been done better with a mom? Almost assuredly yes, which again shows that even the kind of barely-there-fits-and-starts style of homeschooling I did is better than even private school.

And what makes it easier is that one does not even need to invest a lot of time and money into it. Just change your attitude. Remember, a well adjusted child is better than a smart one. But guess what, like God says, "Matthew 6:33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things will be added unto you.", a well adjusted child will also mostly likely be good at academics, too. So stop worrying about a curriculum and keeping up with the standardized tests. Instead have patience and spend a lot of time with your kids and you'll see what they need for academics, but more importantly you'll see the kind of person they are becoming and you'll be able to teach them what they need to know to be a good person. Don't be afraid you are getting behind because kids graduating high school today prove they aren't ahead even if they do pass all the tests.
 

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If you put yourself in the shoes of a single mom who barely has the hours in a day to work two jobs, you would see how insensitive and unrealistic your remarks are. Making sacrifices is fine. But you cannot add more hours to the 24 hour day.

I feel like you are manufacturing an argument with me and I don't know why, when I am one of the good guys.



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That's a pretty common problem. Single moms, I mean. So you should expect symptoms to come from this problem because it's so big. The symptom is horribly raised children. They are horribly raised partly because they have almost no choice but to send their kids into a meat grinder called government schools. Seriously, if they kept their kids out of government schools and didn't teach them any academics at all those kids would be better off. But that's too scary of a thing to try and convince single moms of.

So the better question would be, how do we make less single moms? That would require we change laws thusly: divorce means the parents have nothing to do with each other if one side or both sides don't want to. This would require custody of children would fall, by default, to the father (unless the divorce is due to the husband being a criminal of course). That would also mean there should be no such thing as alimony or child support. Domestic violence should require 2 or 3 witnesses to be established like any other violation of the law.

And obviously, stop paying moms to be single.
 

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If you put yourself in the shoes of a single mom who barely has the hours in a day to work two jobs, you would see how insensitive and unrealistic your remarks are.

Would you agree or disagree that the solution I proposed, dividing the workload of having a job and raising kids between two people, rather than one who leaves his or her kids in the hands of strangers, solves the problem, regardless of how insensitive or unrealistic it is?

If not, why not?

Making sacrifices is fine. But you cannot add more hours to the 24 hour day.

Never said you could. But you CAN add a second set of hands to your life.... A "help meet," so to speak...

I feel like you are manufacturing an argument with me and I don't know why,

This is a discussion board. Posting your ideas and opinions and arguments for your positions opens them up to discussion. Your position is wrong, or at the very least, misguided, and so I pointed out the problems your position has.

when I am one of the good guys.

Did you note that I didn't attack you, but rather that I attacked your arguments?

You could be one of the best guys in the world. It's entirely irrelevant to the discussion. What matters is the truth.
 

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Would you agree or disagree that the solution I proposed, dividing the workload of having a job and raising kids between two people, rather than one who leaves his or her kids in the hands of strangers, solves the problem, regardless of how insensitive or unrealistic it is?

I agree that the mom and dad and the kids is the best family set up, sure. Obviously. That is what God created, and statistically kids fare better if they come from a 2-parent home. Sure.

But, to tell a struggling woman she should go find a man, I mean, holy cow man. LOL. It is just such a stone age thing to say.

We all pay taxes and we deserve good schools.

If anything I would be all for abolishing the public school system and let people pick the school they want using a voucher.
 
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Anyways, my photo of the protest was really meant to accent the OP, who said that the time has come to not comply, and I think that protest is a pretty good example. I did not meant to start a debate on family and single moms and all that.
 

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If anything I would be all for abolishing the public school system and let people pick the school they want using a voucher.
What? A voucher? With public money? That's just private schools becoming public schools. It's the money that makes them public schools, you know.
 

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Anyways, my photo of the protest was really meant to accent the OP, who said that the time has come to not comply, and I think that protest is a pretty good example. I did not meant to start a debate on family and single moms and all that.
It was just not a good example. Can you find a picture of the Southwest pilots that has as much presentation value? That would have been better.
 

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If you put yourself in the shoes of a single mom who barely has the hours in a day to work two jobs, you would see how insensitive and unrealistic your remarks are. Making sacrifices is fine. But you cannot add more hours to the 24 hour day.

I feel like you are manufacturing an argument with me and I don't know why, when I am one of the good guys.



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I have been blessed to know dozens of poor parents who sacrificed a great deal to put their kids in Christian schools. God bless them.
 

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How about people just pay for the things that they want instead of expecting someone else to foot the bill?

People already do pay, for higher education. But is in the best interest of America to invest in BASIC education for its people. That is not socialist, that is common sense.

Even though I am a conservative and want small government, education is one of the few things that benefit America. An educated population can do good work and have good jobs and make us a superpower. Education is just as necessary as a Military. It helps us keep a middle class, and we desperately need that.

People often abuse the phrase in the constitution "promote the general welfare", but this is a rare case when the the standard of living for all is raised, when the population is educated. Like I said, It is in the best interest of America to invest in BASIC education for its people. That is not socialist, that is common sense.

The problem is the people running the dang schools, and unions.

John Stossel is the guy to follow on this subject. He has figured out some pretty smart things and he has reported on this topic for decades.

Education videos:
 

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People already do pay, for higher education.
Non-sequitur.
But is in the best interest of America to invest in BASIC education for its people. That is not socialist, that is common sense.
America had BASIC education for its people long before the government was involved and that education was far superior to what we have now.

Even though I am a conservative and want small government, education is one of the few things that benefit America. An educated population can do good work and have good jobs and make us a superpower. Education is just as necessary as a Military. It helps us keep a middle class, and we desperately need that.
The "education" that children get today is overshadowed by the indoctrination into false doctrines that they get.
People often abuse the phrase in the constitution "promote the general welfare", but this is a rare case when the the standard of living for all is raised, when the population is educated. Like I said, It is in the best interest of America to invest in BASIC education for its people. That is not socialist, that is common sense.
Repeating bad ideas does not make them into good ideas.
The problem is the people running the dang schools, and unions.
That is what will always happen with government schools... it will ALWAYS be the WRONG people in charge.
John Stossel is the guy to follow on this subject. He has figured out some pretty smart things and he has reported on this topic for decades.

Education videos:
I agree with him on many things... but he's wrong on some things.
 

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Non-sequitur.

A non-sequitur is "a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement."

Your use of the Latin phrase is wrong.

You said: How about people just pay for the things that they want instead of expecting someone else to foot the bill?
I replied: People already do pay, for higher education. But is in the best interest of America to invest in BASIC education for its people. That is not socialist, that is common sense.

That is not a non-sequitur.

Now you argue simply to argue and I do not care for that. Goodbye
 

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But, to tell a struggling woman she should go find a man, I mean, holy cow man. LOL.

If it's what God intended for women, then why not? They would be much better off, and especially their children, too.

It is just such a stone age thing to say.

This is an appeal to novelty, a fallacy.

We all pay taxes

The taxation rate is extremely high because of socialist programs like government run education systems and welfare.

and we deserve good schools.

No one "deserves" good schools, and there is no better system than homeschooling.

If anything I would be all for abolishing the public school system and let people pick the school they want using a voucher.

Homeschooling is a much better option (barring college level courses and internships/apprenticeships and other job related subjects), both for the parents, and the children.
 
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