ECT The second and necessary principle of salvation.

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God restores man from being a sinner from birth to being a child of God through a second birth of the Holy Spirit in them.

This restored being is then faced with the necessity of laying down their new life, as did Abraham in obeying Gods command to sacrifice Isaac.

It is because the new person in Christ is fully able to do that, especially because of Christs priesthood position with all of the guidance and help available to the new born believer.

Unfortunately many believers are told that the laying down of their own life is unnecessary after their initial conversion.

One problem is that many believers are not even sons of God.

The other is that many deceivers exist among the Christians who have turned aside from the commandment of God and want others to do the same.

2 Peter ch 2 speaks of this-

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2Pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

2Pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Paul tells the believers--

Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Peter speaks of the same--

2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
2Pe 1:5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
2Pe 1:6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
2Pe 1:7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
2Pe 1:8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Pe 1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
2Pe 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
2Pe 1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
2Pe 1:12 Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth.

Jesus said---

Mat 13:12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

and --

Mat 25:28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
Mat 25:29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
Mat 25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

LA
 

musterion

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There is nothing required to become justified, washed and clothed in holiness before God that Christ did not do for us all. Not one thing was left out that would forever establish the believer's perfect standing before Him in His Son. It's too bad you won't believe that.
 

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There is nothing required to become justified, washed and clothed in holiness before God that Christ did not do for us all. Not one thing was left out that would forever establish the believer's perfect standing before Him in His Son. It's too bad you won't believe that.


Why not recognize that LA's passages from Romans and 2Pet were addressed to born-again, [sanctified] brothers in Christ?? By not recognizing that fact and working with it, you relegate yourself to cult thinking. Indeed, Jesus did do it all but, what did he do that we should exclude ourselves from following suit, His example, and He said we must do it if we are one of His? Sanctificaton is not a promise. Ergo, neither in the new birth from above.
 

ZacharyB

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LA's passages from Romans and 2Pet were addressed to born-again, [sanctified] brothers in Christ??
Generally speaking ...
the gospels were written to everyone,
but the epistles were written to the churches.

The many warnings that believers could lose their salvation were somewhat thinly veiled
... so as to not possibly discourage the babies from carrying on in their new walk of faith.

Jesus taught Paul how to teach in this manner during his 17 years in the desert regions.
And Jesus practiced what He preached ... in His letters to the 7 churches.
Wow, talk about carefully-chosen and tactful words!

It's the Holy Spirit's job to reveal spiritual Truth to whomever whenever.

Teaching believers is a whole different deal than evangelizing the public in general.
Evangelists spout the Truth to everyone in a take-it-or-leave-it fashion.
Remember Jesus saying to evangelize and if people didn't receive it,
shake the dust off and keep movin' on.
 

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Da general is ... multitudes of unsaved people have read 'em also!

Do you believe they were made effective to them without being born again, something Paul recognized being needed else his message would have been adjusted to point out the needfulness of it for insight. Paul was very mindful of those he knew would receive his words.
 

chrysostom

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DAN P

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why do you need the gospels in your bible?


Hi and they are there to show all Gentiles , why Israel was set aside , and why they could not keep a Conditional Covenant , Law of Moses and why Priests are not in the Body of Christ ,nor will you find the Greek words fot POPE OR PURGATORY and that Mary is in a grave !!

In the Body of Christ there are NEITHER Male nor Female , Gal 3:28 !!

dan p
 
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