The Recorded Atrocities of John Calvin

Robert Pate

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PERSECUTIONS AT CALVIN'S GENEVA

The minutes book of the Geneva City Council, 1541-1549 (translated by Stefan Zewig, Eramus: The Right to Heresy):

Compiled by Jack Moorman.

The apostle John wrote: "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but try the spirits to see whether they be of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world" 1 John 4:1.

1. During the ravages of the pestilence in 1545 more than twenty men and women were burnt alive for witchcraft.

2. From 1542 to 1546 fifty eight judgments of death and twenty six decrees of banishment were passed.

3. During the years 1558 and 1559 the cases of various punishments for all sorts of offences amounted to four hundred and fourteen.

4. One burgher smiled while attending baptism: three days in prison.

5. Another, tired out on a hot summer day, went to sleep during a sermon: was sentenced to prison.

6. Some workmen ate pastry at breakfast: three days on bread and water.

7. Two burghers played skittles: prison.

8. Two others diced for a quarter bottle of wine: prison.

9. A blind fiddler played and damced: expelled from the city.

10. Another praised Castellio's translation of the Bible: expelled from Geneva.

11. A girl was caught skating, a widow threw herself on the grave of her husband, a burgher offered his neighbor a pinch of snuff during divine service: they were summoned before the Consistory, exhorted and ordered to do penance.

12. Some cheerful fellows at Epiphany stuck a bean into the cake: four and twenty hours on bread and water.

13. A couple of peasants talked about business matters on coming out of church: prison.

14. A man played cards: he was pilloried with the pack hung around his neck.

15. Another sang riotlously in the street; was told 'they could go and sing elsewhere,' this meaning he was banished from the city.

16. Two bargees had a brawl: executed.

The death penalty against heresy, idolatry and blasphemy and barbarous customs of torture were retained. Attendance at public worship was commanded on penalty of three sols. Watchmen were appointed to see that people went to church. The members of the Consistory visted every house to see that people went to church. The members of the Consistory visited every house once a year to examine the faith and morals of the family. Every unseemly word and act on the streets was reported and the offenders were cited before the Consistory to be either censured and warned, or to be handed over to the Council for severer punishment.
 

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“God tolerates even our stammering, and pardons our ignorance whenever something inadvertently escapes us – as, indeed, without this mercy there would be no freedom to pray.”
 

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Just to keep the record straight:

In 1533 and 1534, it declared itself free from the bishop, and then had to fight to defend itself from the attempts of the bishop and duke of Savoy to overthrow its newly won independence. With the help of Bern, it succeeded. By this time Bern had adopted the Reformation; and Geneva, under Bernese influence and primarily for political reasons, followed suit. The councils took over church property and the control of morals and religion. In February 1536, a comprehensive proclamation was issued for the regulation of moral and religious practices. It prohibited blasphemy and profanity; cards and dice; the protection of adulterers, thieves, vagabonds, and spendthrifts; excessive drinking; and all holidays except Sunday. All inhabitants were ordered to attend sermons, but the Mass and the Roman Catholic sacraments were forbidden. Thus a spirit of intolerance and of strict regulation of private conduct was firmly established before Calvin's arrival. In May 1536, the people of Geneva swore "to live according to the Gospel and the Word of God," and to establish universal primary education, which should be free to the poor.

http://vlib.iue.it/carrie/texts/carrie_books/gilbert/14.html
 

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Just to keep the record straight:

In 1533 and 1534, it declared itself free from the bishop, and then had to fight to defend itself from the attempts of the bishop and duke of Savoy to overthrow its newly won independence. With the help of Bern, it succeeded. By this time Bern had adopted the Reformation; and Geneva, under Bernese influence and primarily for political reasons, followed suit. The councils took over church property and the control of morals and religion. In February 1536, a comprehensive proclamation was issued for the regulation of moral and religious practices. It prohibited blasphemy and profanity; cards and dice; the protection of adulterers, thieves, vagabonds, and spendthrifts; excessive drinking; and all holidays except Sunday. All inhabitants were ordered to attend sermons, but the Mass and the Roman Catholic sacraments were forbidden. Thus a spirit of intolerance and of strict regulation of private conduct was firmly established before Calvin's arrival. In May 1536, the people of Geneva swore "to live according to the Gospel and the Word of God," and to establish universal primary education, which should be free to the poor.

http://vlib.iue.it/carrie/texts/carrie_books/gilbert/14.html

Calvin apparently became the new tyrant of Geneva.
 

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Calvin apparently became the new tyrant of Geneva.

I read somewhere that it was said of Geneva under Calvin to be as close to heaven on earth as a man could get.

I'm not arguing. Just stating a few points to balance the matter.

I wonder what New York would be like if the same laws were applied.

OK or Swansea.
 

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PERSECUTIONS AT CALVIN'S GENEVA

The minutes book of the Geneva City Council, 1541-1549 (translated by Stefan Zewig, Eramus: The Right to Heresy):

Compiled by Jack Moorman.

The apostle John wrote: "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but try the spirits to see whether they be of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world" 1 John 4:1.

1. During the ravages of the pestilence in 1545 more than twenty men and women were burnt alive for witchcraft.

2. From 1542 to 1546 fifty eight judgments of death and twenty six decrees of banishment were passed.

3. During the years 1558 and 1559 the cases of various punishments for all sorts of offences amounted to four hundred and fourteen.

4. One burgher smiled while attending baptism: three days in prison.

5. Another, tired out on a hot summer day, went to sleep during a sermon: was sentenced to prison.

6. Some workmen ate pastry at breakfast: three days on bread and water.

7. Two burghers played skittles: prison.

8. Two others diced for a quarter bottle of wine: prison.

9. A blind fiddler played and damced: expelled from the city.

10. Another praised Castellio's translation of the Bible: expelled from Geneva.

11. A girl was caught skating, a widow threw herself on the grave of her husband, a burgher offered his neighbor a pinch of snuff during divine service: they were summoned before the Consistory, exhorted and ordered to do penance.

12. Some cheerful fellows at Epiphany stuck a bean into the cake: four and twenty hours on bread and water.

13. A couple of peasants talked about business matters on coming out of church: prison.

14. A man played cards: he was pilloried with the pack hung around his neck.

15. Another sang riotlously in the street; was told 'they could go and sing elsewhere,' this meaning he was banished from the city.

16. Two bargees had a brawl: executed.

The death penalty against heresy, idolatry and blasphemy and barbarous customs of torture were retained. Attendance at public worship was commanded on penalty of three sols. Watchmen were appointed to see that people went to church. The members of the Consistory visted every house to see that people went to church. The members of the Consistory visited every house once a year to examine the faith and morals of the family. Every unseemly word and act on the streets was reported and the offenders were cited before the Consistory to be either censured and warned, or to be handed over to the Council for severer punishment.

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Something that is important to consider about these times is that the plague was busy wiping out most of europe. The cause of the plague was generally accepted as being judgement against sin. So to find men trying to prevent obvious and blatant outward sin should be of no surprise.

Timeline here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death
 

Robert Pate

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I read somewhere that it was said of Geneva under Calvin to be as close to heaven on earth as a man could get.

I'm not arguing. Just stating a few points to balance the matter.

I wonder what New York would be like if the same laws were applied.

OK or Swansea.

Satan uses religion to oppress and enslave people.

The devil was working through John Calvin to oppress the people of Geneva.

"Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom" 2 Corinthians 3:17.
 

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Satan uses religion to oppress and enslave people.

The devil was working through John Calvin to oppress the people of Geneva.

"Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom" 2 Corinthians 3:17.

Satan is simply a puppet with the Eternal Almighty pulling his strings.
 

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Fault finding is stupid, if you knew what was going on in that era. King Henry divided the English churches, who were out clubbing everyone, the Roman Church were burning people at the stake, and Protestants did much the same.

Spare your dumb moral superiority complex, and trying to single out Calvin.

You're just predestined not to believe is all :chuckle:
 
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