The "QAnon" Fraud!

Skeeter

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They are liars. The evidence is undeniable. Literally UNDENIABLE. So much so that, at this point, you are either lying yourself or you are stupid.

Just describe the evidence, dude. What is the evidence that the hosts at MSNBC are disingenuous? What is the evidence that Chris Hayes and Rachel Maddow are sociopaths and Hannity and Carlson are empaths?
You are a liar.
And after I gave you a half compliment? Now I take it back. You are suffering from the same ailment as marke and dozer.
I've seen the entire unedited video. They emptied the room and when they thought the coast was clear they pulled out boxes full of ballots and then ran them through the machines multiple times.
Sounds like you are describing the edited version of the video. Otherwise we are seeing different things in the same video. I would look into this with you if I thought you would have integrity enough to admit when you were wrong. But, I fear you are no better than marke at this point.
You are so outstandingly, naively stupid.


Laughably idiotic stupidity.
Ad hominems seem your only recourse.
There are more dead people that vote than that in every major city in the country!

There are instances of easily explainable misunderstandings about two people with the same name.
Whether such a person casting such a vote has committed a crime would be hard to prove either way but that isn't the point. Whether the person could be charged with a crime isn't the criteria for determining whether a particular ballot is legitimate and should be counted. Such a vote would absolutely NOT be a valid ballot and should not be counted precisely because there is a credible question as to its veracity. That's the way you must do it or else you build opportunities for cheating into the system.

Again I am describing a Junior voting when the Senior is dead. Of course voting under this circumstance is legal. Your confusion does not stop someone else from voting. You need to clear your head.
You're just trying to convince yourself here. It's plain enough to me that it you who are being emotional. If brains were dynamite, there'd not be enough between your ears to blow the fuzz off a peach. You couldn't think your way out of a wet paper bag, never mind dispassionately look at whether your most hated politician actually lost an election.
Your perceptions were suspect. Now this -- it is clear that they are way off. You think you know my emotions and my IQ. I am calm and reasonably smart. My highest IQ measured by a professional is 130. You seem to be projecting. Your emotions are flared up as evidenced by your frequent use of wild ad hominem.
No amount of evidence would persuade you! Hunter's laptop is mountains more evidence by itself! If 1% of that kind of evidence existed against Trump it would many times more than you'd need to throw Trump in the deepest pit your could find! But Biden could come out and admit it and you wouldn't care. Harris could walk up and give Xi Jinping a big wet kiss on the mouth and you'd think it was the political break through of the century!

Hunter used his relationship to a national politician to angle some questionable roles in foreign contries. Immoral but not illegal. This is a minor blemish on Biden along side Trump who he himself violated the emolument clause, illegally dodges taxes left and right, and colludes with foreign governments to influence national elections. Not to mention sexual crimes and inciting violent insurrection. The list goes on.
You're projecting. You are defending what anyone in the 1980s would have instantly recognized as Marxist Communism! And make no mistake about it, that is precisely what the left wants, a communist America. They WILL NOT be satisfied with anything like a Canadian or Denmark style Socialism. Just like they weren't satisfied with the New Deal, just like they were satisfied when the destroyed nearly the entire black race in America with their socialist programs, just like they aren't satisfied now with having taken over the healthcare sector of our economy. They are NEVER satisfied - EVER! The country will be destitute and burning in anarchy and chaos and they will still not be convinced that the government isn't the solution to the problem, it is the problem. If every man woman and child on the entire Earth starved to death, the last liberal standing would try to unionize (i.e. collectivize / communize) the animals before he took his last communist breath.

Clete
I believe our capitalistic system should be tempered by socialistic policies. That does not make me a communist. The same is true of the vast majority of liberals. You have trouble discerning nuance, and are unfortunately a dichotomous thinker just like marke. Do better.
 
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marke

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Just describe the evidence, dude. What is the evidence that the hosts at MSNBC are disingenuous? What is the evidence that Chris Hayes and Rachel Maddow are sociopaths and Hannity and Carlson are empaths?
Who got the story straight on Benghazi from the beginning, Hannity or Maddow? Who got the facts about Trump/Russian collusion allegations right from the beginning, Hannity or Maddow? Who was right about Kyle Rittenhouse, Hannity of Maddow? Who has been right about sodomy, God or Maddow?
 

Skeeter

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Who got the story straight on Benghazi from the beginning, Hannity or Maddow? Who got the facts about Trump/Russian collusion allegations right from the beginning, Hannity or Maddow? Who was right about Kyle Rittenhouse, Hannity of Maddow? Who has been right about sodomy, God or Maddow?
MADDOW!
 

marke

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I think it is a good economic engine that generates innovation and advanced transactional mechanisms. You?
Big government socialism destroys competition that makes successful capitalism work. Communism requires the sacrifice of freedom in order to concentrate all power in the state. Sacrificing individual freedoms and rights to conform to statism ends in economic depression, hardship, and the oppression of the crooked over the righteous. America had been going strong as a free nation while communist Russia collapsed after running out of money they could steal from others because of the fiscal failures that come from communist oppression.
 

Skeeter

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Who got the story straight on Benghazi from the beginning, Hannity or Maddow? Who got the facts about Trump/Russian collusion allegations right from the beginning, Hannity or Maddow? Who was right about Kyle Rittenhouse, Hannity of Maddow? Who has been right about sodomy, God or Maddow?
1. Whose show is described by a court case as for entertainment purposes only and that no reasonable person would take claims made on the show as factual -- Chris Hayes or Tucker Carlson?

2. Who touts a leader as having good judgment and no culpability for his actions on air but shows no such faith in his private texts to underling officials --- Hannity or Maddow?
 

marke

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1. Whose show is described by a court case as for entertainment purposes only and that no reasonable person would take claims made on the show as factual -- Chris Hayes or Tucker Carlson?

2. Who touts a leader as having good judgment and no culpability for his actions on air but shows no such faith in his private texts to underling officials --- Hannity or Maddow?
You avoid the point. Whether you find one commentator more entertaining than another has nothing to do with the questions I asked. Who has gotten the facts right more often, Fox News or MSDNC?
 

Skeeter

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You avoid the point.

You miss the point entirely. We are not going to agree on what the facts are - you and I -- in regard to the events you list. Instead of going around and around with you, I instead offer you the opinion of a respected neutral arbiter. The court has found ,at the FOX attorney's urging, that Carlson's show is entertainment and not reliable new source. No such finding has been made for MSNBC hosts. Understand?
Whether you find one commentator more entertaining than another has nothing to do with the questions I asked.

And, nothing to do with the point I make. Your reading comprehension is off.
Who has gotten the facts right more often, Fox News or MSDNC?

FOX viewers are found to be less informed than people who claim they watch no news sources what so ever.
 

marke

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You miss the point entirely. We are not going to agree on what the facts are - you and I -- in regard to the events you list. Instead of going around and around with you, I instead offer you the opinion of a respected neutral arbiter. The court has found ,at the FOX attorney's urging, that Carlson's show is entertainment and not reliable new source. No such finding has been made for MSNBC hosts. Understand?

That does not mean a thing. The SCOTUS also declared Secular Humanism a religion promoted by the state, but who cares what some judges call some things? Definitions and descriptions only mean what people want them to mean and are not like scientific facts that have no room for multiple private interpretations.
And, nothing to do with the point I make. Your reading comprehension is off.
FOX viewers are found to be less informed than people who claim they watch no news sources what so ever.

Democrat rubes typically judge Christians and conservatives to be stupid. That is because democrat rubes who think such nonsense are styupid.
 

Clete

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Ad hominems seem your only recourse.
This is the only thing you said worth responding to.

I made no ad hominems. Stating facts based on clear evidence is not an ad hominem attack. Ad hominems happen when people try to argue that their opponent's position is false based on the fact the their opponent is stupid (or whatever name they've been called). I've made no such argument. That fact is that you are stupid. You are therefore NEVER going to bait me into anything that sake more than a couple of minutes of my time.
 

Arthur Brain

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That's delusional!

ALL of them KNOW for a FACT that Biden won because of cheating! They're totally in on it!

How about the ballots that were in big boxes under the table and the mail in ballots that tens of thousands of dead people mailed in?

It was fraud from top to bottom and they know it as well as we do.

Something changes like Trump has a coronary and dies. That's about what it would take.


Stupidity.


Biden is the corrupt and under the thumb of the Chinese and he's the President because the Democrats cheated - period.


You are literally insane!


Laughably ridiculous nonsense!

Clete
Trump simply lost the last election, that's it. If you buy ridiculous conspiracy bunk that he was cheated out of it with widespread voter fraud then you're in no position to call anyone else insane. You're the one suffering from delusions on the score.
 

Skeeter

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This is the only thing you said worth responding to.

I made no ad hominems. Stating facts based on clear evidence is not an ad hominem attack. Ad hominems happen when people try to argue that their opponent's position is false based on the fact the their opponent is stupid (or whatever name they've been called). I've made no such argument. That fact is that you are stupid. You are therefore NEVER going to bait me into anything that sake more than a couple of minutes of my time.
I do not know why I had the impression that you were of a higher caliber than your peers. Didn't I read a nuanced discussion abut covid that you engaged in? In any case, you and marke and Right divider are cut from the same clothe. You all appear unable to process information that involves more than two variables. Right and left.

Here, you ignore many substantial points to focus on the very fact that you dodge actual discussion in favor of name-calling. When you try to discredit my view by insulting me rather than explaining why my point was flawed and your view is right, you are engaging in ad hominem. Providing evidence for your contentions is also advisable.

Now go back and address the actual issues.
 
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Skeeter

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When big bucks drives narratives then possibly 95% will promote any lie they are urged by the mob to support if it means they must uphold the lie to keep their income flowing. Global warming is driven by wicked special interests who are using the false science to fatten their own paychecks.
Actually, climate scientist make a modest income. "Scientists" who are Climate Change Deniers are the ones who can cash in on the pent-up demand to have justification for the public to remain gluttonous and lazy and make no changes in how we use resources.
 

marke

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Trump simply lost the last election, that's it. If you buy ridiculous conspiracy bunk that he was cheated out of it with widespread voter fraud then you're in no position to call anyone else insane. You're the one suffering from delusions on the score.
Democrats insist Biden won and will "fight like hell" to stop anyone from investigating rumors of voter fraud and proving otherwise.
 

marke

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Actually, climate scientist make a modest income. "Scientists" who are Climate Change Deniers are the ones who can cash in on the pent-up demand to have justification for the public to remain gluttonous and lazy and make no changes in how we use resources.
Most scientists may make modest incomes but they stand in danger of losing their incomes if they cross the secular leftist erroneous propagandist narratives.
 

Arthur Brain

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Are you a mind reader? I make my claim based on what they say on air. That's not foolproof but it is something. You offer nothing but your fanciful imagination. Do better.


The ballets under the table arrived under the table from the top of the table and were put there during a break and put back on the table after it. You have to rewind the tape further back and track it but I have seen it and so could you but you do not want to.

The number of dead people voting were in the single digits in each state. People grasping at straws found Xxx Junior voters when the Xxx Sr had died. That's not a dead person voting. That's a son voting despite the fact that his Dad had the same name and had died. You know- thats not at all a crime. Totally understandable except to idiots grasping at straws to justify LOSING.


It appears You know it because you feel it. The evidence of fraud is weak. You are more savvy and authentic than some of your peers here. I expect more from you.


Agreed. That would be ideal. Though some would call any circumstance of his death MuRdEr.


Find better evidence of it, or it is only a feeling in your tummy.

You are viewing into a strange looking glass. I am at a loss why smart people follow Trump. I get why the dumb ones do.
What the likes of Trump want from their fan base is unquestioning support and unfortunately that's what plenty who are otherwise intelligent are happy to give him. Granted, there's plenty who aren't exactly informed as well but with the smarter ones they seem to be that invested in their perception of "the left" that they lose what critical thinking acumen they have and instead of seeing Trump for the unqualified narcissist he is, they see some sort of hero...It's certainly bizarre.
 

marke

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What the likes of Trump want from their fan base is unquestioning support and unfortunately that's what plenty who are otherwise intelligent are happy to give him. Granted, there's plenty who aren't exactly informed as well but with the smarter ones they seem to be that invested in their perception of "the left" that they lose what critical thinking acumen they have and instead of seeing Trump for the unqualified narcissist he is, they see some sort of hero...It's certainly bizarre.
Nobody in the Biden administration who speaks in opposition to democrat narratives will keep his job. Democrats demand total loyalty and obedience to the party and the penalty for crossing them or exposing their crimes has sometimes resulted in the murder of the independent thinker who dares oppose the lying leftist narratives.

Leftists have made jokes about cutting off Trump's head or blowing up the White House with Trump and his family in it and democrats see no problem with those sorts of hateful, threatening, displays.
 

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Leftists have made jokes about cutting off Trump's head or blowing up the White House with Trump and his family in it and democrats see no problem with those sorts of hateful, threatening, displays.

Trump's MAGAs made real threats about hanging Mike Pence and Republicans see no problem with those sorts of hateful, threatening, displays.
 

Clete

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I do not know why I had the impression that you were of a higher caliber than your peers.
If you actually believe that socialism works then thinking for you is basically a waste of your time. You only have a couple of centuries (at least) of proof that it fails to work every single time its tried. The fact is, however, that you don't actually care if it works or not. You don't care about evidence and you don't care about reason. Anyone who thinks socialism is anything but theft cannot be convinced by any amount of argumentation or evidence. Debating it with you would be the equivalant of debating whether or not the sky is blue.

Didn't I read a nuanced discussion abut covid that you engaged in? In any case, you and marke and Right divider are cut from the same clothe. You all appear unable to process information that involves more than two variables. Right and left.
There is no nuance. The left wants to destroy this country and turn into something it was never intended be. It is a governmental system based on theft. It is therefore evil and aught not be compromised with AT ALL. It is to be defeated at any cost.

In any compromise between good and evil, only evil can profit.

Here, you ignore many substantial points to focus on the very fact that you dodge actual discussion in favor of name-calling.
I dodged your attempt to bait me into debating the color of the sky and I educated you on the proper use of the term "ad hominem". I call you stupid because you say stupid things, not because I think it refutes your position. I would never grant you the intellectual ground.

When you try to discredit my view by insulting me rather than explaining why my point was flawed and your view is right, you are engaging in ad hominem.
Right! That isn't what I was doing. It was you I intended to discredit, not socialism.

Providing evidence for your contentions is also advisable.
Not when my opponent thinks Robin Hood was a good (moral) thief.

Now go back and address the actual issues.
There would be no profit in doing so. Your mind is a baked clay brick. The only benefit would be to you by having granted you the intellectual ground that says socialism is with worth discussion. It isn't. It doesn't work. Every intellectually honest person who's looked into it for more than half an hour knows it doesn't work. Even you know it hasn't ever worked but somehow think you can make institutionalized theft be a just form of government. It's simple insanity.

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