The Plain Reading of Scripture

[Idolater]

I propose that the following is the plain reading of Romans 6 re sinning.

Ro 6:1-2 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? iow no. Don't “ continue in sin ”. Ro 6:4 ... we ... should walk in newness of life. iow don't “ continue in sin ”. Ro 6:5-6 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also [in the likeness] of [his] resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with [him], that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. Don't “ continue in sin ”. Ro 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. ... Ro 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Don't “ continue in sin ”. Ro 6:13 Neither yield ye your members [as] instruments of unrighteousness unto sin ... Don't “ continue in sin ”. Ro 6:15-16 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? iow no. Don't sin. Ro 6:17-19 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. Don't sin. Ro 6:20-23 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things [is] death. But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Don't sin.

That's eight different times where Romans 6 tells individual members of the Body of Christ to not sin, through implication at least, if not directly. I think @Clete would agree with this reading, but I think @Nick M does not, and he thinks I'm a legalist because I read Romans 6 this way, which I find to be the plain reading.

 

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I don't see the gospels as integrated. Yet you use the word "different".

I'm trying to use the language of the thread and the concept being discussed. This is the difficulty in the plain meaning of anyone's writing, including scripture, since words have different meanings or nuance.

They are not the same.

I agree they may not be worded the same, but Paul doesn't usually repeat his own wording of "his gospel" the same way twice. That's why it is difficult to actually write out what Paul's gospel is in comparison to the others.

For instance Abraham's gospel is;
Gal_3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
You say Abraham's gospel is an "early rendition of Paul's gospel. Please compare them both.
Abraham's gospel; In thee shall all nations be blessed".
Paul's gospel;
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Do you think they look alike ?
They are different.

Yes, differentry words. The question is about the meaning of those words. For instance, HOW would the nation's be blessed through Abraham? Paul tells us in the prior and following verses:
Galatians 3:7-9 KJV — Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

"they which be of faith" does not mean the Israelites, but the Gentiles, since the Gentiles are the recipients of the blessing through or in Abraham.

Paul's gospel was distinct, not known before by men.

Eph 3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Eph 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
Eph 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

We are not those people whom Paul was writing about. We are Gentiles and Paul is the apostle to the Gentiles.

Here's is what Paul quoted:
Galatians 3:8 KJV — ..., In thee shall all nations be blessed.
What do you think "nations" refers to? The word used is often translated "Gentiles", but also "nations" and sometimes "heathen". In fact, the same word appears earlier in the same verse, but translated "heathen" in the KJV, and...wait for it...as "Gentiles" in the NKJV.

[Gal 3:8 NKJV] 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, [saying], "In you all the nations shall be blessed."

So notice what Paul is saying. He is saying that Abraham was told something about the gospel Paul would be teaching, i.e., that the Gentiles (you and me) would be saved ("justified") by faith.

So it is a little shortsighted of you to say that the verse is not talking about us, when the verse twice uses the word for "Gentiles".

For you to be saved as a Gentile you need to believe the gospel given to Paul by Christ.

I agree. The question is whether this is different than the other gospels, for instance the angel's gospel to the shepherds. It was good news to the whole world (remember the wise men, Gentiles, who came to honor Him), but why? why was it good news that Jesus had been born? It was a promise kept from way back in the Garden of Eden, when the first gospel was preached to Adam and Eve, that the seed of the woman would crush the serpent's seed's head. The serpent's "seed" is death. Jesus rose from the dead. We are promise resurrection from the dead, too, because of Jesus Christ.

Gal 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

This is what I have believed, the gospel given to Paul by Christ. If you add, subtract from it, then you have believed in vain as Paul writes.

But if there are other parts of the scriptures that apply, and we limit our study to only what Paul writes about it, we are subtracting from the whole counsel of scripturr.

1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

This is not my opinion, It is what God has written through our apostle Paul.

1Co_14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

I'm not sure I understand why this is helpful to your position. I agree completely with the verse.