The Late Great Urantia Revelation

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Caino

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Roff! I got a huge laugh out of this Aimiel: The Urantia Book is a perfect example. The 'light' that is in those who follow it is darkness


Where do you think that I have espoused a doctrine of a divided kingdom?

By reiterating over and over that there is a Satanic kingdom and a Kingdom of God. You keep giving the fallen ones great power which they do not have, that they never had. Jesus proved that they were wrong, they were liars. Not two truths, one light one dark. There is truth and not true. Simple!

If the Urantia Book (which you have not read) discredits the atheist doctrines of the fallen ones and teaches of the One God of all creation, then how can it be Satan working against Satan?????

Maybe it was Satan that taught you "Satan has his greatest field day in the lives of those who believe he doesn't exist and those who believe that he is powerless." rofffffffff!


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Aimiel

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Roff! I got a huge laugh out of this Aimiel: The Urantia Book is a perfect example. The 'light' that is in those who follow it is darkness
Since it is such an eternally important topic, it truly is a shame that you find it humorous. :nono:
By reiterating over and over that there is a Satanic kingdom and a Kingdom of God.
I've never said any such thing. There are demons in the realm known as earth. Many of those who live here think that because Jesus went to the cross, demons have now been retired, but they're still at work, it's just that most people are ignorant of the enemy's devices. Take yourself, for example.
You keep giving the fallen ones great power which they do not have, that they never had.
Which would be what, specifically? The only power that the enemy has is deception. The only voice the enemy has in this earth is those who work for him (everyone who isn't Christian, and many who profess Christianity, and even many who actually ARE Christian).
Jesus proved that they were wrong, they were liars.
Where did He do that? They pretty much proved themselves wrong by following Satan, whose own self-worship got him banished from Heaven.
Not two truths, one light one dark. There is truth and not true. Simple!
I think I agree with you, although you seem to be having trouble constructing a complete or understandable sentence.
If the Urantia Book (which you have not read) discredits the atheist doctrines of the fallen ones and teaches of the One God of all creation, then how can it be Satan working against Satan?
Because it doesn't teach Truth, it teaches half-truths, which are the same as whole-lies. :duh:
Maybe it was Satan that taught you "Satan has his greatest field day in the lives of those who believe he doesn't exist and those who believe that he is powerless." rofffffffff!
How many floors are you rolling on there? :squint:
You should get up, you're getting dirty. :duh:

I see those who are foolish enough to believe that Satan doesn't exist who seem to be his greatest campaign managers, I simply call 'em like I see 'em. :thumb:
 

Aimiel

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No, Hebrews is not Jesus talking. There is even disagreement about who the author of Hebrews was, most likely not Paul.
Paul was the author of Hebrews. God inspired every Scripture. Your Urantia Book is from hell, not Heaven. You need to buy a clue.
 

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It's both. It's life is sacrificed, which life is in the blood, and it is the blood of the lamb which prevents death from taking the firstborn of the house where the blood is on the doorpost and header. The wages of sin is the life of the sinner. The wages are paid by The Lamb of God. He ransomed us by the sacrifice of His Own Life by shedding His Blood.
 

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Paul was the author of Hebrews. God inspired every Scripture. Your Urantia Book is from hell, not Heaven. You need to buy a clue.

wrong again!



Authorship of the Epistle to the Hebrews


Style different from Paul

Some traditions attribute the letter to Paul, but the style is notably different from the rest of Paul's epistles. Eusebius reports that the original letter had a Jewish audience and was written in Hebrew, and then later translated into Greek by Luke.

Moreover, the writing style is substantially different from that of Paul's authentic epistles, a characteristic first noticed by Clement (c. 210). In Paul's letter to the Galatians, he forcefully defends his claim that he received his gospel directly from the resurrected Jesus himself.

Acceptance by the Church

Nevertheless, in the fourth century, the Church largely agreed to include Hebrews as the fourteenth letter of Paul. Jerome and Augustine of Hippo were influential in affirming Paul's authorship,[2] and the Church affirmed this authorship until the Reformation.



Views of modern scholars

In general, the evidence against Pauline authorship is considered too solid for scholarly dispute. Donald Guthrie, in his New Testament Introduction (1976), commented that "most modern writers find more difficulty in imagining how this Epistle was ever attributed to Paul than in disposing of the theory."[8] Harold Attridge tells us that "it is certainly not a work of the apostle";[9] Daniel Wallace simply states, "the arguments against Pauline authorship, however, are conclusive."[10] As a result, few supporters of Pauline authorship remain.

As Richard Heard notes, in his Introduction to the New Testament, "modern critics have confirmed that the epistle cannot be attributed to Paul and have for the most part agreed with Origen's judgement, 'But as to who wrote the epistle, God knows the truth.'"[11]


The King James Bible 1611 ed. ends the Epistle to the Hebrews with "Written to the Hebrewes, from Italy, by Timothie"[edit] References
^ Clontz, T.E. and J., "The Comprehensive New Testament with complete textual variant mapping and references for the Dead Sea Scrolls, Philo, Josephus, Nag Hammadi Library, Pseudepigrapha, Apocrypha, Plato, Egyptian Book of the Dead, Talmud, Old Testament, Patristic Writings, Dhammapada, Tacitus, Epic of Gilgamesh", Cornerstone Publications, 2008, p. 685, ISBN 978-0-977873-71-5
^ Lane, William L. Hebrews 1-8 (Word Biblical Commentary Vol. 47A. Dallas, TX: Word Books, 1991), Introduction page cliv.
^ A number of mss., namely the earliest extant (P46), bear the simple title "To the Hebrews" without Paul's name.
^ Eusebius, Church History 6.25.11-14
^ von Harnack, Adolph, "Probabilia uber die Addresse und den Verfasser des Habraerbriefes," Zeitschrift fur die Neutestamentliche Wissenschaft und die Kunde der aelteren Kirche (E. Preuschen, Berlin: Forschungen und Fortschritte, 1900), 1:16–41. English translation available in Lee Anna Starr, The Bible Status of Woman. Zarephath, N.J.: Pillar of Fire, 1955), 392–415
^ Lee Anna Starr, The Bible Status of Woman. Zarephath, N.J.: Pillar of Fire, 1955)
^ Craig Blomberg, From Pentecost to Patmos, Apollos, 2006, pp. 411
^ "The Authorship of the Book of Hebrews", Jeffrey S. Bowman.
^ Peter Kirby, EarlyChristianWritings.com
^ "Hebrews: Introduction, Argument and Outline", Daniel Wallace
^ Religion-online.org, Richard Heard, Introduction To The New Testament


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Caino

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Why did Jesus eat the passover meal? Matthew 26:17-23 Was he condoning and/or participating in evolved religion?

Neither, he was building a bridge from one era to a new dispensation of grace and truth. In establishing the "kingdom of heaven" Jesus allowed the old ritualistic practices to die on the vine without directly criticizing them.

It’s like when the Son of God showed up in the river Jordan to be baptized when he did not really need repentance, he played along with Johns ritual as an opportunity to inaugurate his public teaching.


From the time Jesus first went to the temple as a boy he had begun to think of a bloodless Passover:

Jesus At Jerusalem



http://www.truthbook.com/index.cfm?linkID=1377#U125_0_1

The Last Supper

"The apostles knew that Jesus had celebrated other Passovers without the lamb; they knew that he did not personally participate in any sacrificial service of the Jewish system. He had many times partaken of the paschal lamb as a guest, but always, when he was the host, no lamb was served. It would not have been a great surprise to the apostles to have seen the lamb omitted even on Passover night, and since this supper was given one day earlier, they thought nothing of its absence."


http://www.truthbook.com/index.cfm?linkID=1431#U179_0_1



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Aimiel, this is actually something that the UB has in common with the "Tea Party":

"Urantia mortals are entitled to liberty; they should create their systems of government; they should adopt their constitutions or other charters of civil authority and administrative procedure. And having done this, they should select their most competent and worthy fellows as chief executives. For representatives in the legislative branch they should elect only those who are qualified intellectually and morally to fulfill such sacred responsibilities. As judges of their high and supreme tribunals only those who are endowed with natural ability and who have been made wise by replete experience should be chosen.

70:12.6 If men would maintain their freedom, they must, after having chosen their charter of liberty, provide for its wise, intelligent, and fearless interpretation to the end that there may be prevented:

1. Usurpation of unwarranted power by either the executive or legislative branches.
2. Machinations of ignorant and superstitious agitators.
3. Retardation of scientific progress.
4. Stalemate of the dominance of mediocrity.
5. Domination by vicious minorities.
6. Control by ambitious and clever would-be dictators.
7. Disastrous disruption of panics.
8. Exploitation by the unscrupulous.
9. Taxation enslavement of the citizenry by the state.
10. Failure of social and economic fairness.
11. Union of church and state.
12. Loss of personal liberty.

70:12.7 These are the purposes and aims of constitutional tribunals acting as governors upon the engines of representative government on an evolutionary world.

70:12.8 Mankind's struggle to perfect government on Urantia has to do with perfecting channels of administration, with adapting them to ever-changing current needs, with improving power distribution within government, and then with selecting such administrative leaders as are truly wise. While there is a divine and ideal form of government, such cannot be revealed but must be slowly and laboriously discovered by the men and women of each planet throughout the universes of time and space.

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70.7.14 These clubs were employed by merchants to collect debts and by rulers to collect taxes. taxation has been a long struggle, one of the earliest forms being the tithe, one tenth of the hunt or spoils. Taxes were originally levied to keep up the king’s house, but it was found that they were easier to collect when disguised as an offering for the support of the temple service.=
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71.5.2 The ideal state undertakes to regulate social conduct only enough to take violence out of individual competition and to prevent unfairness in personal initiative. Here is a great problem in statehood: How can you guarantee peace and quiet in industry, pay the taxes to support state power, and at the same time prevent taxation from handicapping industry and keep the state from becoming parasitical or tyrannical?=
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69.9.6 4. The urge for security and power. Communism was finally destroyed by the deceptive practices of progressive and successful individuals who resorted to diverse subterfuges in an effort to escape enslavement to the shiftless idlers of their tribes. But at first all hoarding was secret; primitive insecurity prevented the outward accumulation of capital. And even at a later time it was most dangerous to amass too much wealth; the king would be sure to trump up some charge for confiscating a rich man’s property, and when a wealthy man died, the funeral was held up until the family donated a large sum to public welfare or to the king, an inheritance tax.


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Aimiel

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When you refer to the Jesus described in the Urantia Book, you should call him, "Jebus," 'cause it sure isn't The Jesus of Scripture, Who is The Christ, The Son of The Living God.

Looks like it was about your aunt named, "Tia." It should be, "Ur-Aunt-Jebus," insted of Urantia.
 

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Neither, he was building a bridge from one era to a new dispensation of grace and truth. In establishing the "kingdom of heaven" Jesus allowed the old ritualistic practices to die on the vine without directly criticizing them.

Caino

Why did Jesus refer to Moses' writings as scripture and then say that they testified of him? Jesus says if we don't believe Moses, how shall we believe him. Is he saying we should believe Moses because Moses writes about him? John 5:39-47
 

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Why did Jesus refer to Moses' writings as scripture and then say that they testified of him? Jesus says if we don't believe Moses, how shall we believe him. Is he saying we should believe Moses because Moses writes about him? John 5:39-47


blackbirdking,

You have good questions, you think instead of parrot.

The best way to answer this question, one which has Jesus referring to the scripture, is to actually ask another question. Is everything in the New York Times perfect? Is there a bias of the writer, possibility of inaccurate reporting from eyewitnesses? Editing of the stories? Political influence?

An event occurs, then it's retold, then the retelling is retold. Then so called "historians" write about those events hundreds, even thousands of years latter......but the events still occurred. So one is left to extrapolate facts and try to make sense of it all.

Another example, we can both agree that the civil war occurred in America, yet there are thousands of books written about that war. Are they all perfect?

There is only one underlying reason that religion uses the "word of God" label and that is the establishment of the churches authority, it's desire and need to control others.

The people who killed Jesus could find areas of the OT to justify his murder, were they right?

"Most of the so-called Messianic prophecies of the Old Testament were made to apply to Jesus long after his life had been lived on earth. For centuries the Hebrew prophets had proclaimed the coming of a deliverer, and these promises had been construed by successive generations as referring to a new Jewish ruler who would sit upon the throne of David and, by the reputed miraculous methods of Moses, proceed to establish the Jews in Palestine as a powerful nation, free from all foreign domination. Again, many figurative passages found throughout the Hebrew scriptures were subsequently misapplied to the life mission of Jesus. Many Old Testament sayings were so distorted as to appear to fit some episode of the Master’s earth life. Jesus himself onetime publicly denied any connection with the royal house of David. Even the passage, “a maiden shall bear a son,” was made to read, “a virgin shall bear a son.” This was also true of the many genealogies of both Joseph and Mary which were constructed subsequent to Michael’s career on earth. Many of these lineages contain much of the Master’s ancestry, but on the whole they are not genuine and may not be depended upon as factual. The early followers of Jesus all too often succumbed to the temptation to make all the olden prophetic utterances appear to find fulfillment in the life of their Lord and Master."




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Aimiel

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Is everything in the New York Times perfect? Is there a bias of the writer, possibility of inaccurate reporting from eyewitnesses? Editing of the stories? Political influence? An event occurs, then it's retold, then the retelling is retold. Then so called "historians" write about those events hundreds, even thousands of years latter......but the events still occurred. So one is left to extrapolate facts and try to make sense of it all.
It isn't so with God's Word.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. -- 2 Timothy 3:16-17

For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. -- 2 Peter 1:21
 

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It isn't so with God's Word.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. -- 2 Timothy 3:16-17

For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. -- 2 Peter 1:21


So said Paul, who didn't know any better, it never occurred to him, that even his letters would become "the word of God." And then some books, which were considered "inspired" during those early years, became "uninspired" by the church. roff!

Its all about:

1) the authority of the church

2) people who have a need to control other people



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When you refer to the Jesus described in the Urantia Book, you should call him, "Jebus," 'cause it sure isn't The Jesus of Scripture, Who is The Christ, The Son of The Living God.

Looks like it was about your aunt named, "Tia." It should be, "Ur-Aunt-Jebus," insted of Urantia.

Snide childish comments like this do not lend any credibility to your 'position' on the matter, as one could as well question the authenticity of certain saying of Jesus in the canonical gospels, let alone accept some other sayings of Jesus in apocryphal writings as being 'true'. Your 'opinion' could be challenged by any other 'opinion', and if you want to include Aunt Tia, how bout we toss in your Aunt Maggie too? Maybe they can have a tea party.

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On a cosmic level -


Truth itself has nothing to fear, neither does it need to defend itself against other ideas, beliefs or concepts,...for the Truth is a Universal all-pervading and transcendent Reality. It surpasses any books, human concepts, ideas or even 'language'. It is the truth that underlies all that Is, and supports the totality of Existence.

"Truth is coherent, beauty attractive, goodness stabilizing. And when these values of that which is real are co-ordinated in personality experience, the result is a high order of love conditioned by wisdom and qualified by loyalty. The real purpose of all universe education is to effect the better co-ordination of the isolated child of the worlds with the larger realities of his expanding experience. Reality is finite on the human level, infinite and eternal on the higher and divine levels." - UB



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I do not know why, but I have more empathy for the likes of Aimiel and the 9-11 terrorists than materialists -- atheists. It seems to be instinctive.

Philosophy you somewhat grasp, and divinity you comprehend in worship, social service, and personal spiritual experience, but the pursuit of beauty — cosmology — you all too often limit to the study of man’s crude artistic endeavors. Beauty, art, is largely a matter of the unification of contrasts. Variety is essential to the concept of beauty. The supreme beauty, the height of finite art, is the drama of the unification of the vastness of the cosmic extremes of Creator and creature. Man finding God and God finding man — the creature becoming perfect as is the Creator — that is the supernal achievement of the supremely beautiful, the attainment of the apex of cosmic art. (646.4) 56:10.3

Hence materialism, atheism, is the maximation of ugliness, the climax of the finite antithesis of the beautiful. Highest beauty consists in the panorama of the unification of the variations which have been born of pre-existent harmonious reality.
(646.5) 56:10.4
 

horiturk

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you'd think that celestial beings from distant planets would've been a little more concise than 2000+ pages
 
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