The Joys of Catholicism

[Nick M]

Show me where it says that in the Bible.

I say that because what you’re saying is contrary to the Scriptures. She will be resurrected the same as the rest of the Israelites who have faith plus works. There’s nothing to indicate otherwise.

 

[Right Divider]

We only know she was assumed body and soul.

You ASSUME this... incorrectly.

 

[Idolater]

Show me where it says that in the Bible.

According to this standard Mary is still alive since we have no Biblical record of her ever dying. Same goes for Peter, Paul, John etc. Even Lazarus must still be around here somewhere.

 

[Idolater]

You ASSUME this... incorrectly.

All Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy iow the whole ancient Church have reason to believe otherwise.

 

[Right Divider]

All Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy iow the whole ancient Church have reason to believe otherwise.

What "All Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy" believe is irrelevant.

Thanks for your continued lack of sound reason.

 

[JudgeRightly]

According to this standard Mary is still alive since we have no Biblical record of her ever dying. Same goes for Peter, Paul, John etc. Even Lazarus must still be around here somewhere.

Incorrect

And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,

Bible Gateway passage: Hebrews 9:27 - New King James Version

And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,

www.biblegateway.com

The exceptions being Enoch and Elijah, of course, since they were taken straight to heaven without dying, as scripture states. Even Lazarus died (again), because his body was not a glorified one.

So... If you would, please:

It is thought her body is now glorified, but it's an open question about whether she died before being assumed body and soul into Heaven, or whether her body was changed in the process of being assumed, or what. We only know she was assumed body and soul.

Show me where it says that in the Bible.

I say that because what you’re saying is contrary to the Scriptures. She will be resurrected the same as the rest of the Israelites who have faith plus works. There’s nothing to indicate otherwise.

 

[Right Divider]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the greatest joy of Catholicism is blissful ignorance. So sad.

 

[rstrats]

All Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy iow the whole ancient Church have reason to believe otherwise.

What do you have to base that reasoning on - i.e., that Mary was caught up to heaven?

 

[Idolater]

Incorrect

And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,

Bible Gateway passage: Hebrews 9:27 - New King James Version

And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,

www.biblegateway.com

The exceptions being Enoch and Elijah, of course, since they were taken straight to heaven without dying, as scripture states. Even Lazarus died (again), because his body was not a glorified one.

So... If you would, please:

I already pointed out there are lots of things not mentioned in the Bible.

What are your assumptions in asking the question to show you in the Bible that Mary was assumed into Heaven at the end of her Earthly life?

 

[Idolater]

What do you have to base that reasoning on - i.e., that Mary was caught up to heaven?

It either happened or it didn't happen. If it happened, then we know it happened because somebody witnessed it.

 

[JudgeRightly]

I already pointed out there are lots of things not mentioned in the Bible.

Such as Mary's assumption into heaven, for example?

What are your assumptions in asking the question to show you in the Bible that Mary was assumed into Heaven at the end of her Earthly life?

You seem to have missed the point.

You made the argument that because some people's deaths were not mentioned in the Bible, therefore Mary's death is not confirmed. You them use that as evidence (argument from silence) that she was "assumed into heaven."

That argument fails, one, because it's an argument from silence, a logical fallacy, and two, because Scripture says that all men die, and the only exceptions in Scripture are explicitly mentioned as having been taken to heaven directly.

Thus, you still need to provide support for your claim.

It either happened or it didn't happen. If it happened, then we know it happened because somebody witnessed it.

It didn't happen.

And we know it didn't happen because the Bible doesn't say she was, even though men who were arguably less important than her, at least according to your position, were stated to have been taken up into heaven, and in fact says that "all men" die once.

And before you argue "all doesn't always mean literally all" I would remind you that doing so just for Mary's case is special pleading, when I have already pointed out the exceptions.

You want us to believe that Mary just didn't need to have it stated that she was taken directly to heaven?

 

[rstrats]

You want us to believe that Mary just didn't need to have it stated that she was taken directly to heaven?

But he hasn't said - unless it was said somewhere else in the other 731 posts - exactly what his reason is for thinking that she was.

 

[Nick M]

I already pointed out there are lots of things not mentioned in the Bible.

And therefore, DNA does not exist. It isn't in the Bible. Neither is rap music or pizza.

 

[Right Divider]

And therefore, DNA does not exist. It isn't in the Bible. Neither is rap music or pizza.

Neither is Roman Catholicism...

 

[Nick M]

Same goes for Peter, Paul, John etc. Even Lazarus must still be around here somewhere.

Peter's bone box is in the hands of the Catholics. They constructed another building when it was found at the Mount of Olives. It makes perfect sense his box is there. The same with James, of which people are debating about it. Paul and Luke were both executed in prison. Paul more publicly. I don't read or speak ancient Greek. So I rely on others who think Luke was killed because his second letter to Theophilus. Some say the letter just stops. And translators added the ending.

This is Theophilus. I'm sharing the tangent since nearly all archaeological evidence for the Bible is hidden, I didn't know any of this. If the scripture contradicts it, our interpretation is wrong. Like the first century letters regarding the made up office for Bishop of Rome.