So you don't know what happens to the brances that are cut off and tossed in the fire? Along with the tares? And all the others like you in Revelation 20.
Theology Club: The Gospel of the Kingdom and the Gospel of Grace
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So you don't know what happens to the brances that are cut off and tossed in the fire? Along with the tares? And all the others like you in Revelation 20.
Neg rep for another non answer. You claimed God told Peter not to keep it. I showed he did. You liar.
You might want to read it again. I did not agree that Peter and Paul preached the same message. I agreed that Paul preached the same message to Gentiles and Jews.
Because if Paul taught the same gospel to both Jew and gentile then Peter and the boys would have been at cross purposes in teaching the Jews something else.
What you have is Paul and Peter and the boys each teaching the Jews a different gospel.
That is the same gospel Nick.
Already explained in another thread the two aspects of faith between what Paul said and James said.
Remember Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing.
Where is the vesre that says they were saved differently?
Same question to you Dan, did Paul seperate himself from the gentiles in his preaching?
I don't believe in the pagan idea of hell.
So Again where does it mention your pagan hell in those scriptures Nick?
Ya that is why Paul gave Peter heck for disimulation and leading other to follow his disimulation.
If I misunderstood the point, enlighten me.
It would take this off topic BR.
suffice it to say Christ dwells in each of us and leads us according to HIS will and Christ does not lead the Jews differently then the Gentiles at least according to Paul.
Yes, the Jew according to the Gospel of the Kingdom and the Gentile to the Gospel of Grace. One to Peter's Gospel, the other to Paul's.
Paul tells us he preached the same message to the Jews and gentiles.
Acts 26:19-21
19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: 20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance. 21 For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me.
Do you not see it? Paul said he showed his heavenly vision first to the Jews and then to the gentiles. How much plainer can Paul make it?
Jesus tells us that repentance and remissions of sin should be
preached in His name among ALL nations, BEGINNING at Jerusalem.
Luke 24:46-47
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Matthew 24:14
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
1 Corinthians 1:10-13
10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. 13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
Paul tells these people to be of one mind and speak the same thing, because there was division among them, some saying I am of Paul and others I am of Peter. Paul says to those who would divide in this fashion is Christ divided? Now obviously some of these people were saved by Pauls preaching and some were saved by Peters preaching so if they are to be of the same mind and SPEAK the SAME THINGS how is it Paul and Peter preached a different Gospel?
And read again post# 165 does it not show Peter preaching the same thing as Paul?
Your focus is on Paul. It should be on Peter and the Apostles. Where do they preach the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. Even though Jesus mentions it, The Apostles did not understand it. We do not see an understanding of it in Matthew -John. Even John 20:9 states that they did not know that He must rise from the dead.
Paul reveals this information, the mystery that was hidden from the princes of this world so that the Lord could confound His enemies (1 Corinthians 2:7-8). This makes it very clear as we read through the four Gospels that neither Christ nor His Apostles could have been preaching the Gospel by which we are saved because the gospel of the kingdom they preached does not include the doctrinal information by which we are saved, namely Christ's death, burial and resurrection on our behalf (1 Corinthians 15 1-4).
The Gospel of the Kingdom and the Gospel of Grace are different.
Are you universalist or annhilationist?
Hell/lake of fire/conscious separation is the biblical, historical, orthodox view.
Paul is defending the ONE true gospel in Romans. It is sheer eisegesis of the MAD view to read your interpretation (two gospels) into this verse?!:hammer:
A kingdom emphasis is an eschatological one. A soteriological emphasis is personal.
The way into the Kingdom is by grace through faith in the King in all dispensations.
There are not two ways to be saved post-cross. A secondary gospel for a limited time and limited group post-cross, pre-Paul is foreign to Scripture.
The way into the Kingdom is by grace through faith in the King in all dispensations.
There are not two ways to be saved post-cross. A secondary gospel for a limited time and limited group post-cross, pre-Paul is foreign to Scripture.
godrulz disagrees with you. He says Paul only ministers to gentiles.
Galatians 2
7 But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter
And of course I have asked you what he means in this thread more than once. Paul went to Jews, yet says he preaches uncircumcision. What gives? Rhetorical. You know the answer. Different gospel.
I did not bring up the verse. Speak with Pneuma. I would use Galatians 2:7