the four beasts

SaulToPaul 2

SaulToPaul 2

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I agree with Wick Stick. It is the abomination that maketh desolate, not the abomination that sits in the place that was made desolate much earlier. Chrys is just stubborn and conveniently leaves out details.
 
chrysostom

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Wick Stick said:
You are correct that the beasts are empires, and baddies. You just connected the dots in the wrong order.

The Egyptian empire of the Ptolemies was the "king of the south." It is NOT the 4th beast.

The "king of the north" was the Seleucid empire. THIS is the 4th beast.

The abomination that causes desolation is a man sitting in the temple, showing everyone that he is God. 2Thess 2:3-4.

This did not happen with Islam. It did happen with the Seleucids. It happened again in the first century when Eleazar ben Simon made the Zealot's headquarters in the Temple in the months preceding the Roman's siege of the city.

Jarrod
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what is in the holy place now?
 
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Wick Stick

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chrysostom said:
what is in the holy place now?
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Not the dome of the rock. It's standing in the place of the Fortress Antonia.

As for what is in that place... not a whole heck of a lot...

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Wick Stick

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chrysostom said:
so why don't they build the temple?
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More than one reason... from animal cruelty statutes to not wanting to foment a civil war.

But mostly because a majority of Jews are now atheists, and the ones who aren't, are rabbinical (believing that the synagogue and rabbis have replaced the temple and priests.)

You should study up on that... the movement away from priests and temples actually pre-dates the New Testament. The Essenes were writing about wicked priests and righteous teachers in the 2nd century BC, and the Book of Enoch comes right out and says that God replaced the lineage of priests with a succession of shepherds.

Jarrod
 
chrysostom

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Wick Stick said:
More than one reason... from animal cruelty statutes to not wanting to foment a civil war.

But mostly because a majority of Jews are now atheists, and the ones who aren't, are rabbinical (believing that the synagogue and rabbis have replaced the temple and priests.)

You should study up on that... the movement away from priests and temples actually pre-dates the New Testament. The Essenes were writing about wicked priests and righteous teachers in the 2nd century BC, and the Book of Enoch comes right out and says that God replaced the lineage of priests with a succession of shepherds.

Jarrod
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wake up to reality
-the dome is preventing the temple
 
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Wick Stick

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chrysostom said:
wake up to reality
-the dome is preventing the temple
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The reality is that rebuilding the Jewish temple is a Christian pre-occupation more than a Jewish one.

The people in Israel are more concerned with things like terrorism within their own borders, the scientific advancement of enemy nations towards nuclear weapons, and whether Dragan Bender will leave Maccabi for the NBA.

Jarrod
 
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