SUTG
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Ah, I see. When did you make the switch?
The Dilemma of the Geological Layers and their Fossil Contents
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Ah, I see. When did you make the switch?
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dover/kitzmiller_v_dover.html
Here's the entire transcript of the trial. You're going to have to explain what you mean.
Micheal Behe, when he admitted that "intelligent design" was a scientific theory in the same sense that astrology is, pretty much cut the supports out from under his fellow IDers.
The brief wasn't the problem. It was the revelation that ID is in fact a superstition, not a science.
The brief wasn't the problem. It was the revelation that ID is in fact a superstition, not a science.
The flood happened about 4000 years ago. Dating methods, as demonstrated both by Egypt and Jericho, show difficulties in their exactness.
It was a few years ago when my father, a biologist, pointed out how the DNA molecule was a high energy molecule. Do you realize how big that molecule is? Even in its simplest form? It's freaking way-out high energy before you even start to think about making it do "life". Putting together a DNA molecule either takes repeated time critical energy saving cycles (hundreds/thousands (millions most likely) of cycles), or it violates the 2nd law of Thermodynamics to create. That's so preposterous in a natural environment that even if you don't accept creation you must, must, must, at least be an honest scientist and admit that the current evolution model (proto-cell to human) is wrong.
And I when I mean wrong, I mean wacky insane wrong. Not just "well, there might be a chance it could be wrong" wrong, but "holy crap I can't believe I used to believe that" wrong.
Mr Jack
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Still trying not to get any of that pesky reality on your shoes, huh?
Mr Jack
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And, yet, right now, by entirely naturalistic processes your body is making masses of the stuff.
Every day is a dilemma. Just today I was to paint the wall in the back garden but it's raining. I'll have to do something else, but what? It's a dilemma! Days off are so hard...
So if it cxould be proven that the Chinese existed before 4000 years then the flood would simply be bogus yes ?
It happens hundreds of millions of times in your body every day. Thermodynamics doesn't seem to mind.
But I'm sure we'd all like to see your thermodynamics calculations, showing otherwise. I'm assuming you know how to apply the second law, showing that gene duplication (the most common means of lengthening the DNA molecule) violates the 2nd LOT.
It would certainly be evidence against the idea of a global flood, yes.
Do you happen to know if the KT boundry is under China?
Yes, complicated machines store energy to be used at a later time (a specific later time actually) to accomplish this. That's my point.
Look up the conjunction "or" and how it is used in the English language.
Actually the number is more like 4400 years, not 4000.
JustinFoldsFive
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bob b said:
So how do you explain to documented history of Ancient Egypt, which dates back prior to 8,000 B.C.?
Which brings up the question... is the KT boundary under Egypt?
BTW, Egypt's date history has its critics in the archeology world.
SUTG
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What does this even mean?
There are two ways to create a DNA molecule. One way is a number of steps where energy is saved for a later step, this across hundreds or thousands of steps. Another way is to simply violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics and all the molecules just happen to stick together to make a DNA.