No, they didn't know it was wrong, they were told it was wrong ... there's a difference. Satan told Eve something else and not knowing good from evil she went with it and so did Adam. You keep trying to invent ways that God didn't really mean what He said to fit the dictates of your "logic". I don't understand that inclination. He said what He meant and He meant what he said. How's that for a "premise?"
I'm reminded of a song by Bruce Cockburn the punch line of which reads " Everyone loves to see justice done ... on somebody else." You've missed the most important point of the New Testament.
Beloved Clete, you dismiss historical fact and that which you cannot defend as "conspiracy theory" and then try to associate same with that which is indefensible for the purpose of dismissing it without addressing it. I have come to expect this from main stream media but I was hoping for something a little better from you.
Mat 6:
Thank you.
So that's why he was in the Garden? is what you're saying? Because he got kicked out of Heaven? So the only realm left was Earth? Why couldn't God have just killed him? This is why I'm saying it's very important for theology to deal with this Scriptural fact of the Accuser's presence in Eden.
But 1/3 of whom (or what; as in, body, or people, or population)? Does anybody know what fraction of the House of Israel believed in and followed Our Lord in that first Church? 1/3 of 12 is 4 ---- is 4 /12 meaningful? Were four of the Twelve Apostles particularly "refined?" How about 4 of the 12 tribes?
No. It would appear from other passages that he still has access to the heavenly realm for a while longer. The first such passage may be found in Job 1.
The study of the terms "one third" and "a third" is a fascinating one and might hold some clues as it concerns your questions.
OK. I guess that does avoid the problem of why God would give the World to Adam and Eve, with demons included then. Because there were no demons until Satan fell /rebelled, right there in Genesis. That would also explain why God would call His creation "Very Good," because at that point, it was. e4e
Do you think any of this bears on Luke 10?
One could argue the number 666 represents 2/3 (666 being roughly 2/3 of 1000). I'll check the Scripture for other places the term appears.
It does when looked at through that perspective.
I had not thought of looking at the subject of thirds from the other side of the equation. Nice catch.
idk about that. Seems to me that without demons "whispering" to Eve, that she could have obeyed God and avoided that tree. Certainly the Serpent is an important character in the story's plot.
I said already this is important for theology but it's just as important for theism generally. Why evil? Why suffering? Why? Problem of evil. Theodicy.
If Satan planted the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (which btw is basically what we today term "moral philosophy" or ethics) then we have God's command to Adam and Eve following Satan's fall, chonologically. This prompts again the question c. "Why didn't God just dispatch Satan then? and uproot that tree right then?"
Awesome.
We can't second guess God, but we can speculate why.
I don't know that I would necessarily go there because of something Tam reminded me of, namely, the absence of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil after the second resurrection. It reminded me of the fact that several of the original temple ordinances offered in Leviticus are absent from the ordinances concerning the millennial temple described in Ez 40-48. These observances are all prophetic and at the time of the millennial temple some of them will have been fulfilled and no longer pertinent. It could be that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil falls into that category as well in that it is no longer pertinent then but was at the time of it's existence and not necessarily evil, per se, but a part of God's plan that had served it's purpose.
They knew it was wrong after they were told, which was BEFORE they committed the offense or else there would not have been an offense - by definition.
Well there's your opinions and then there's God's own word. The whole of Romans 5 is false if what you say is correct.
Saying it doesn't make it so.
I have no idea what you're even referring to. Please try to make a complete point.
If you think that love and justice are at odds with each other than you do not know God.
I dismiss your interpretation of history and I've stated at least once already that I do not hold people responsible for the transgressions of their ancestors.
This for some reason prompted the thought that this is what this country did with the slave trade. It permitted slavery and in such an environment the natural economic forces brought about two things, consolidation and centralization of the slave trade. Where before, there were many slave traders, economic forces brought about consolidation and centralization, such that the slave trade itself became a lost art everywhere except the consolidated, centralized slave traders.
This sort of thing is the main reason I consent to participate in discussions with conspiracy theorists. They are their own best refutation. It's never very long before they begin to just sound completely ridiculous.
Except that there seems to be no evidence that the Freemasons amount to much of a tare, if any at all.