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God does not make anyone obey.
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God does not make anyone obey.
Jamie Gigliotti
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Yes and He makes the rules,"...the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life. And let us not grow weary in doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up." Galatians 6:8-9
The universe obeys exactly as God commands it.
You first need to know God before you get it.
But it is God that causes the elects to know him
There still isn't a maverick molecule running loose
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God does not make anyone do anything.
If anything does anything, God is there.
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What is that supposed to mean?
God does not make anyone believe and obey Him. That is not anywhere in the scriptures.
God arranges circumstances. He planned for you to own a bible before you were born. He made sure you were going to own a bible. He arranged a driver's licence department to write you a learner's permit. God arranged the car lot to be at the corner so you can go buy a car. He made sure you had a car to start your job. He arranged the job for you. He created a bank for you to deposit your paycheck. God didn't force you to buy a bible. He arranged a car for you to drive to the book store to buy a bible. He didn't force you to buy a bible. He arranged you to have money to pay for the Bible and now you went home and heard the gospel. He didn't force you to do any of that. He arranged circumstances around you and you responded to your environment. You thought believe cause you read the word. You still have free will, a natural free will bassed only off your desire.
Your heart is so corrupted to the core and you gave yourself all the credit that you did this all on you own.
You LEFT God out. Calvinists gives God the credit for all above. You gave yourself credit for all above. You boasted and still boast on your very post.
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That's evil !
:kookoo: The problem is, you're still a goof.
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I have started another thread relative to this thread.
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You are evil when you say God made me sin.
Typical made man thoughts. His arrangements didn't force you into anything. You made the choice based what's around you. If God didn't do anything, you wouldn't even exist. You're still a sinner cause you don't know how to obey
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Listen to you, you now admit God does not make us do everything, and that WE MAKE OUR OWN CHOICES.
As for obeying, you just contradicted yourself.
Of course, anyone can obey. Did you ever obey your parents? Did you ever obey the teacher at school? Did you ever obey your boss?
You speak nonsense from Calvin.
You're thinking from the rotten core of your heart just as the Bible stated
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You are speaking like an accuser of the brethren. Where did you get that from?
You obeyed and then got faith
The Christian got faith and then obeyed.
Remember God doing the arrangements?
He made willing
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As for me personally, I always believed in God and Jesus. I did not get saved until I started to obey.
There is no scripture which says what you say. There is no scripture anywhere that says God makes us willing.
You just admitted you were the elect at or before birth. You're just confused what Calvin meant by God doing the choosing. You ough to be careful in repeating what others say about Calvin and try to find time to read the Bible. You don't really want to run lose and claim God didn't will the writers to write His word called the bible or even create the earth. He didn't stop resting. Saying things like that shows the rottenness of the heart