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oatmeal
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Yes, that was Thomas' statement.
What was God's statement regarding Moses?
Exodus 7:1 KJV
And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
Why isn't Moses part of your multigod?
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Yes, very clear and even more so when one takes into account the Greek text.
Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God [ο κυριος μου και ο θεος μου/ the Lord of me and the GOD of me]
The Greek Septuagint LXX uses the same words and grammar to describe what can only be applied to YHVH.
Psa 35:23 Awake, O Lord, and attend to my judgment, even to my cause, my God and my Lord.- LXX
Psa 35:23 (34:23) ἐξεγέρθητι, κύριε, καὶ πρόσχες τῇ κρίσει μου, ὁ θεός μου καὶ ὁ κύριός μου[the GOD of me and the Lord of me], εἰς τὴν δίκην μου.-LXX
'The' God[elohim] is never used of Moses, an idol or any other created thing but only to the true GOD YHVH.
Adonai and Adoni (Psalm 110:1)
The Bible’s supreme proof text for telling the difference between the One God and the Messiah who is not God
This verse was referred to the Messiah by the Pharisees and by Jesus. It tells us that the relationship between God and Jesus is that of Deity and non-Deity. The Messiah is called adoni (my lord) and in every one of its 195 occurrences adoni (my lord) means a superior who is not God. Adonai on the other hand refers exclusively to the One God in all of its 449 occurrences. Adonai is the title of Deity and adoni never designates Deity.
If the Messiah were called Adonai this would introduce “two Gods” into the Bible and would be polytheism. Psalm 110:1 should guard us all against supposing that there are two who are God. In fact the Messiah is the supreme human being and agent of the One God. Psalm 110:1 is the Bible’s master text for defining the Son of God in relation to the One God, his Father.
Why is it that a number of commentaries misstate the facts about Psalm 110:1? They assert that the word for the Messiah in Psalm 110:1 is adonai. It is not. These commentaries seem to obscure a classic text defining God in relation to His Son. The Hebrew text assigns to the Messiah the title adoni which invariably distinguishes the one addressed from the Deity. The Messiah is the supreme human lord. He is not the Lord God (cp. I Tim. 2:5; I Cor. 8:4-6; Mark 12:28ff).
Why is the Messiah called adoni (my lord) and never adonai (my Lord God)?
“Adonai and Adoni are variations of Masoretic pointing to distinguish divine reference from human.”
Adonai is referred to God but Adoni to human superiors.
Adoni — ref. to men: my lord, my master [see Ps. 110:1]
Adonai — ref. to God…Lord (Brown, Driver, Briggs, Hebrew and English Lexicon of the Old Testament, under adon [= lord]).
“The form ADONI (‘my lord’), a royal title (I Sam. 29:8), is to be carefully distinguished from the divine title ADONAI (‘my Lord’) used of Yahweh.” “ADONAI — the special plural form [the divine title] distinguishes it from adonai [with short vowel] = my lords” (International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, “Lord,” p. 157).
“Lord in the OT is used to translate ADONAI when applied to the Divine Being. The [Hebrew] word…has a suffix [with special pointing] presumably for the sake of distinction…between divine and human appellative” (Hastings Dictionary of the Bible, “Lord,” Vol. 3, p. 137).
“Hebrew Adonai exclusively denotes the God of Israel. It is attested about 450 times in the OT…Adoni [is] addressed to human beings (Gen. 44:7, Num. 32:25, II Kings 2:19 [etc.]). We have to assume that the word adonai received its special form to distinguish it from the secular use of adon [i.e., adoni]. The reason why [God is addressed] as adonai, [with long vowel] instead of the normal adon, adoni or adonai [with short vowel] may have been to distinguish Yahweh from other gods and from human lords” (Dictionary of Deities and Demons in the Bible, p. 531).
“The lengthening of the ā on Adonai [the Lord God] may be traced to the concern of the Masoretes to mark the word as sacred by a small external sign” (Theological Dictionary of the OT, “Adon,” p. 63 and Theological Dictionary of the NT, III, 1060ff. n.109).
“The form ‘to my lord,’ l’adoni, is never used in the OT as a divine reference…the generally accepted fact that the masoretic pointing distinguishes divine references (adonai) from human references (adoni)” (Wigram, The Englishman’s Hebrew and Chaldee Concordance of the OT, p. 22) (Herbert Bateman, “Psalm 110:1 and the NT,” Bibliothecra Sacra, Oct.-Dec., 1992, p. 438).
The Bible’s supreme proof text for telling the difference between the One God and the Messiah who is not God
This verse was referred to the Messiah by the Pharisees and by Jesus. It tells us that the relationship between God and Jesus is that of Deity and non-Deity. The Messiah is called adoni (my lord) and in every one of its 195 occurrences adoni (my lord) means a superior who is not God. Adonai on the other hand refers exclusively to the One God in all of its 449 occurrences. Adonai is the title of Deity and adoni never designates Deity.
If the Messiah were called Adonai this would introduce “two Gods” into the Bible and would be polytheism. Psalm 110:1 should guard us all against supposing that there are two who are God. In fact the Messiah is the supreme human being and agent of the One God. Psalm 110:1 is the Bible’s master text for defining the Son of God in relation to the One God, his Father.
Why is it that a number of commentaries misstate the facts about Psalm 110:1? They assert that the word for the Messiah in Psalm 110:1 is adonai. It is not. These commentaries seem to obscure a classic text defining God in relation to His Son. The Hebrew text assigns to the Messiah the title adoni which invariably distinguishes the one addressed from the Deity. The Messiah is the supreme human lord. He is not the Lord God (cp. I Tim. 2:5; I Cor. 8:4-6; Mark 12:28ff).
Why is the Messiah called adoni (my lord) and never adonai (my Lord God)?
“Adonai and Adoni are variations of Masoretic pointing to distinguish divine reference from human.”
Adonai is referred to God but Adoni to human superiors.
Adoni — ref. to men: my lord, my master [see Ps. 110:1]
Adonai — ref. to God…Lord (Brown, Driver, Briggs, Hebrew and English Lexicon of the Old Testament, under adon [= lord]).
“The form ADONI (‘my lord’), a royal title (I Sam. 29:8), is to be carefully distinguished from the divine title ADONAI (‘my Lord’) used of Yahweh.” “ADONAI — the special plural form [the divine title] distinguishes it from adonai [with short vowel] = my lords” (International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, “Lord,” p. 157).
“Lord in the OT is used to translate ADONAI when applied to the Divine Being. The [Hebrew] word…has a suffix [with special pointing] presumably for the sake of distinction…between divine and human appellative” (Hastings Dictionary of the Bible, “Lord,” Vol. 3, p. 137).
“Hebrew Adonai exclusively denotes the God of Israel. It is attested about 450 times in the OT…Adoni [is] addressed to human beings (Gen. 44:7, Num. 32:25, II Kings 2:19 [etc.]). We have to assume that the word adonai received its special form to distinguish it from the secular use of adon [i.e., adoni]. The reason why [God is addressed] as adonai, [with long vowel] instead of the normal adon, adoni or adonai [with short vowel] may have been to distinguish Yahweh from other gods and from human lords” (Dictionary of Deities and Demons in the Bible, p. 531).
“The lengthening of the ā on Adonai [the Lord God] may be traced to the concern of the Masoretes to mark the word as sacred by a small external sign” (Theological Dictionary of the OT, “Adon,” p. 63 and Theological Dictionary of the NT, III, 1060ff. n.109).
“The form ‘to my lord,’ l’adoni, is never used in the OT as a divine reference…the generally accepted fact that the masoretic pointing distinguishes divine references (adonai) from human references (adoni)” (Wigram, The Englishman’s Hebrew and Chaldee Concordance of the OT, p. 22) (Herbert Bateman, “Psalm 110:1 and the NT,” Bibliothecra Sacra, Oct.-Dec., 1992, p. 438).
Psa 35:23 Stir up thyself, and awake to my judgment, even unto my cause, my God[elohim] and my Lord[Adonai].
Eze 20:3 Son of man, speak unto the elders of Israel, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord[elohim] GOD[YHVH]; Are ye come to enquire of me? As I live, saith the Lord[elohim] GOD[YHVH], I will not be enquired of by you.
Eze 20:3 Son of man, speak unto the elders of Israel, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord[elohim] GOD[YHVH]; Are ye come to enquire of me? As I live, saith the Lord[elohim] GOD[YHVH], I will not be enquired of by you.
He already did. Jesus is God.
This:
Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS[tsidkenu].
The Lord Jesus is YHVH tsidkenu!
Jesus is LORD!
Jesus has been made both Lord and Christ by His Father who is LORD.
Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
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SaulToPaul 2
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I apologize for the rather erroneous thread title!
However, it causes no problem for unthinking believers.
I would like to clear up a few things which are very clear in Scripture.
Nowhere is it said that ... before the Incarnation,
the One who came and "became flesh" was called "Jesus".
In the OT, there were a ton of names/titles for this One, but none of them was "Jesus".
It was Gabriel who instructed Joseph to give this One the name of "Jesus" (Savior).
As shown in the OP, Scripture not only says this One is equal to Father God,
but indeed has all of the attributes of the Father.
Except, Father God is the Administrator of all things.
The Son of God, the Second Person (Manifestation) of the Godhead has other functions.
The Holy Spirit, the Third Manifestation, is the Worker Bee.
Simply, this is what GOD wants us to believe!
So, the title of the OP should have been something like:
"The One who became flesh is an equal part of the Godhead"
Now, of course, this should be accepted by all believers
who believe in the inerrancy of Scripture!
Those who do NOT believe in the inerrancy of Scripture,
how can you believe/trust ANY of Scripture?
Easy ...
You believe only certain parts of Scripture because you have been:
-- brainwashed by relatives, church, books, etc.
-- deceived by a demon
-- think you're some kind of incredible intellectual genius
-- think you're some kind of incredible spiritual genius
Pick your poison ... you may choose one or more of the above!
However, it causes no problem for unthinking believers.
I would like to clear up a few things which are very clear in Scripture.
Nowhere is it said that ... before the Incarnation,
the One who came and "became flesh" was called "Jesus".
In the OT, there were a ton of names/titles for this One, but none of them was "Jesus".
It was Gabriel who instructed Joseph to give this One the name of "Jesus" (Savior).
As shown in the OP, Scripture not only says this One is equal to Father God,
but indeed has all of the attributes of the Father.
Except, Father God is the Administrator of all things.
The Son of God, the Second Person (Manifestation) of the Godhead has other functions.
The Holy Spirit, the Third Manifestation, is the Worker Bee.
Simply, this is what GOD wants us to believe!
So, the title of the OP should have been something like:
"The One who became flesh is an equal part of the Godhead"
Now, of course, this should be accepted by all believers
who believe in the inerrancy of Scripture!
Those who do NOT believe in the inerrancy of Scripture,
how can you believe/trust ANY of Scripture?
Easy ...
You believe only certain parts of Scripture because you have been:
-- brainwashed by relatives, church, books, etc.
-- deceived by a demon
-- think you're some kind of incredible intellectual genius
-- think you're some kind of incredible spiritual genius
Pick your poison ... you may choose one or more of the above!
Read it.
Cross Reference
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Jesus was the physical manifestation of God, absent glorification. This was so that he be *vulnerable to the weaknesses of fallen man. Scripture reveals that in His wilderness experience with Satan and, of course, the cross itself.
Paul manifested God by faith, faith that was rewarded per the will of God Whose union in Him he abandoned himself to in his quest for a completed relationship..
In these two examples can be seen how our new birth is given for the perfection in the same Spirit as Jesus lived. And if we possess it as one who understands to then pursue it, we have this reward recorded for us for encouragement: "If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you."
Romans 8:11 (ESV)
This is what "Redemption" all about! What we were saved "UNTO" and not from.
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oatmeal
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You have reached some very strange conclusions from reading those verses.