the beasts of Daniel

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genuineoriginal said:
The prophecy in Daniel 7 about the four beasts (empires) was brought to a close in 37 CE at the end of the 490 year prophecy of Daniel 9 when the children of Israel failed to repent in fulfillment of Jeremiah 18:9-10.

Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 CE to fulfill the prophecy from Jesus in the Olivet Discourse (Luke 21), and the end of the war made the land desolate by 73 CE in fulfillment of Daniel 9:27.

These events of the Roman/Jewish war of 70-73 CE are represented by the four horsemen of the apocalypse recorded in Revelation 6:1-8.

The remaining years of the great tribulation from 73 CE till this time are represented by the fifth seal.

Revelation 7:9-17 gives the account of the large number of Jews and Gentiles from every nationality and tongue that became believers during the time of the great tribulation.

The sixth seal is about the signs in the stars, moon, and sun that happen immediately after the end of the great tribulation (Matthew 24:29; Revelation 6:12-14.

The time of the beast in Revelation 13:1 is the last 3-1/2 years of the time of the seven trumpets.
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I have no idea what you are talking about
 
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genuineoriginal said:
The Dispensationalists from the Dallas Theological Seminary mean well, but their interpretations of Daniel and Revelation form an errant eschatology.

John was shown a vision of what would take place from the time that the tribulation began in 70 CE until the time Jesus returned to set up His kingdom, and beyond.

The beast that John was shown is like all four of the beasts that Daniel was shown. John did not borrow from Daniel. John was shown a vision of a time unrelated to the time of Daniel's prophecy. In the time of John's prophecy, the world power will be an empire that is a hybrid of the four empires from Daniel's prophecy.
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John wrote Revelation in 94 AD, not 70 AD. That's a well known error people make trying to push a liberal point of view with respect to biblical interpretation.
 
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chrysostom said:
the beast of revelation
was, is not, and is to come
that is why the first has seven heads and ten horns
the second which is of the first only has ten horns like the fourth beast of daniel
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By parsing your above response, you seem to imply support for an earlier writing of Revelation, not 94 AD as commonly accepted by Biblical scholars. If this is so, further discussion on this matter seems pointless.
 
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Saved.One.by.Grace said:
By parsing your above response, you seem to imply support for an earlier writing of Revelation, not 94 AD as commonly accepted by Biblical scholars. If this is so, further discussion on this matter seems pointless.
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you got that right

do you know why John mentions his name three times in the first chapter?

there are three different ones

the first is John the Baptist

and that is the truth
 
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The first three beasts of Daniel are described with animal characteristics of known earthly creatures.
lion
bear
leopard

But the fourth beast is described with characteristics of no known earthly animal.

Could it be that the fourth beast is different from the rest because it is like an unearthly creature?

Ephesians 6 KJV
(12) For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.​
 
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Saved.One.by.Grace said:
John wrote Revelation in 94 AD, not 70 AD. That's a well known error people make trying to push a liberal point of view with respect to biblical interpretation.
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Revelation was written before 70 CE.

The only reference used to claim it was written in 94 CE is a remark from Eusebius during the time of the first council of Nicaea.
Eusebius claimed that Irenaeus said that Polycarp saw something, presumably the book of Revelation, near the end of Domitian's reign.

The internal evidence of the book of Revelation shows that it was written before 70 CE.
 
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Tambora said:
The first three beasts of Daniel are described with animal characteristics of known earthly creatures.
lion
bear
leopard

But the fourth beast is described with characteristics of no known earthly animal.

Could it be that the fourth beast is different from the rest because it is like an unearthly creature?

Ephesians 6 KJV
(12) For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.​
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the first beast of the apocalypse was like a leopard
 
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The ten horns of the fourth beast are ten successive governments that heal the deadly wound suffered by the seventh head (Roman Empire) in 410 CE (Daniel 7:23-24)(Revelation 13:3).

Another little horn (Daniel 7:24) subdued three of the Roman governments and plucked them up by the roots (Daniel 7:8). The little horn presents itself as a lamb; it appears to represent Christ, but it actually speaks on behalf of Satan (Revelation 13:11). This is the pseudo-Christian church of Revelation 17.

The third instance of the seven-headed symbol is in Revelation 17:3. The seven heads portray the last seven of the ten horns of the fourth beast (Revelation 17:9-10).

The first three horns of the fourth beast were plucked up by the little horn (Daniel 7:8). The seven horns that are left are represented in Revelation 17 as seven heads. These seven heads represent seven successive resurrections of the political system sanctioned by the little horn church (Revelation 17:1-10).

The ten horns represent ten concurrent governments (Revelation 17:12-13). These ten horns correspond to the ten toes of the image seen in the dream of Nebuchadnezzar (Daniel 2:31-35).

At the last trumpet, Christ will smash the toes of the fourth beast and set up the Kingdom of God (Daniel 2:34).
 
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chrysostom said:
the king of the south must be the Umayyad Caliphate, which established the dome of the rock, the abomination of desolation
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this makes islam the fourth beast of daniel
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still working on this
but
the umayyad caliphate is the king of the north
and
chapter 11 is all about the struggle between muawiyah who started the umayyad caliphate
and
ali who married fatimah, the daughter of mohammed and khadija

Daniel 11:6 (KJV)

6 And in the end of years they shall join themselves together; for the king's daughter of the south shall come to the king of the north to make an agreement: but she shall not retain the power of the arm; neither shall he stand, nor his arm: but she shall be given up, and they that brought her, and he that begat her, and he that strengthened her in these times.
 
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