Yes, I just really want to thank AMR for his post,
Yes, he's a wealth of insight. He's helped me come to grips with positioning myself meticulously within orthodox boundaries for any challenges I would make of doctrinal minutiae.
and thanks as well for including the excerps from Martin Luther's sermon. I appreciate the certainty, the simplicity, and the clarity with which Luther writes. That kind of confidence must only come from great "knowing" of the text.
Martin Luther is da man. I've read him more in the past few months than ever before, and I could spend a lifetime doing so.
And thank you, PneumaPsucheSoma, for your very clear analogy of the table, its functionality not being verbal in nature as it up-holds but latent and intrinsic to its designed it-ness AS a table: I can in no way summarize your description of Greek nouns; for contained in those few short paragraphs is far more substance than I may ever think, given a very long lifetime to do so. Wow! is probably the closest I can get to pulling it all together. Thanks!
I have to credit Spiros Zodhiates, Daniel Wallace, and others for helping me develop a practical understanding of Greek nouns. Oddly enough, it was Watchman Nee who also contributed a useful persective, as well. And I can sit for hours just contemplating the amazing complexity of individual Greek nouns as worship in thanksgiving and praise at the near-endless expression of Himself by/through language for communion.
Jarrod if you are still on board, I would just simply ~ and respectfully ~ ask, Given all that, why would you want to translate it "divine" rather than "God"? Anarthrous though it may be, it is quite definite what John is attempting to convey. Add to that the chiastic structure of the statement ~ Word, God, God, Word (the chiasm is actually even broader than that: this being at the heart of it ~ I don't see how it could possibly be correctly translated / interpreted otherwise. Thanks all the same for the suggestion. You're spot on on one thing: Greek nouns certainly are substativals! Sure, lets have that hamburger anyway. What'da ya say?